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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias
David,
I can see it is easy for you not to criticize a £12,000 pa job. Perhaps if you were not in the financial position you are in, you would think differently. I would perhaps feel the same if I didn't have to worry about the money and would rather do a job I enjoy. However, at the present time I must agreed with other posts and I too think that this sort of salary is like a slap on your face. Do you you know how much that equates to? I'll tell you.£5.76 on a 40 hr week. I love H&S and I love my job but I would rather go and work cleaning toilets where I would definitely get at least £6 per hour and I would switch off from work at the end of my shift. I also agree with the fact that it is good to have a pride not to be on the dole but just because of that would you allow an employer to pull the wool over your eyes? I have also been very lucky in my employments and always give my best, but 12k is just a joke.
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Posted By John Fraser
Juan
I agree with David's last e:mail, but as I said before everyone has to start somewhere in their career. If I was in the position of either accepting a h & s job on 12K a year or cleaning out toilets ( as you put it ), after completing a h & s degree / diploma, I know what I would choose and it wouldn't be cleaning toilets !.
Most ( not all ) trainee ships , you would be lucky to get any more than 12 - 16 K anyway. If you are lucky to get a h & s job, grab it with both hands ! as there is always someone else who will.
John
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Posted By GeoffB4
As I understand the original posting it is for a H&S officer, not a trainee, not a graduate, not army, air force or navy, it is for an H&S officer. That implies experience and some certificated skills.
If that is the case then most of the replies have gone off at a tangent and are irrelevant to the topic.
We should be debating the worth of an H&S Officer/Advisor.
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Posted By David Passmore
GeoffB4 As I have suggested a couple of times, until the actual job specification has been ascertained, we should not assume that because a job is advertised as a Health & Safety Officers position that it will involve the roles and responsibilities that position generally requires.
For example, I applied for a "Health & Safety Officers" position last year, and although the salary was much less than my previous role, it transpired in the interview that the job was 90% administrative and did not require any responsibility or hands on involvement. With hindsight, I should have enquired more thoroughly about the job spec prior to applying.
I guess that due to the nature of the questions I asked in the interview, the company correctly concluded that the job was not for me. The role should never have been advertised as a H&S officers job, therefore I would suggest that the role on offer for 12k, may be a minor admin role as I had suggested in an earlier posting.
Also, another position with our local council recently advertised for a H&S Officer for £14k, however, having checked the job spec, this turned out to be a part time role.
I am a little confused about the earlier posting suggesting that 12k would not be a suitable salary to support a mortgage - I would argue that fifty odd quid jobseekers per week which stops after 6 months is also unsuitable for servicing ones mortgage. Something is better than nothing and keeps the wolves from the door.
Another issue which also many may not be aware of is that if you do not apply for jobs you have specified in your "jobseekers agreement" (H&S in my case), the DWP have the right to stop the payments, therefore some could feel pressurised for applying for jobs they do not really want.
It would be interesting to know if the original poster to this thread has checked the job spec and what is required for 12k. Maybe when the requirements for the role have been determined, a better understanding or reasoning for the low salary may be ascertained.
DP
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Posted By WDM
For the guy who says he would take a full h&s job for £12k, then he is under selling both himself and the profession and an acceptable salary/rate for everyone else.
I would take the view, if you are desperate for a job, instead of taking a £12k job, you might as well try and get a 3-6 month contract role.
The figures are about as follows
£12k = £840 month nett (£5.77 per hour Gross or £4.85 Nett)
This is I believe less than is paid in many supermarket/retail jobs - afraid I value my skills/knowledge and training to be worth more than this sort of figure.
If a typical contract role pays £20/hr gross, this equates to a full time salary of about £41600 based on 40hr week.
Therefore any temporary contract would only need to be about 3-4months long and you would earn as much as £12k per year.
If the contract was only this 3-4mths, at least then you would have the chance to find another contract in the remaining 8mths of the year. Hence earning considerably more than the £12k indicated.
I struggle to see how anybody/household could live on £12k as a main salary, even assuming no mortgage or kids to pay for. I mean £12k is £840 mths nett...
I think the salary is for an admin job, as previoulsy mentioned by both others and myself.
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Posted By GeoffB4
Surely if the only information we have is that the job is for a H&S officer, then that is all we should be discussing. Speculation of what the job really is gets us nowhere.
Reminds me of a large number of NGC candidates, they answer the question they want to, and not what is asked.
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Posted By Ian G Hutchings
Hi
I'd double check this one. I saw a couple of £12K jobs, but they were actually part time (and it was £12K actual, not pro rata. You'll need to check.
Cheers
Ian
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Posted By Pete48 Check out this link. http://careersadvice.dir...hyourcareer/jobprofiles/It might surprise a few people just what salaries are indicated for a wide range of jobs. Take care lest you over price yourselves! An agricultural engineering technician on £11-13K for example? That job requires study which is at least the equivalent of NGC and if I employ one, I see the results on my bottom line within weeks. Just a view from a different perspective.
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Posted By Brett Day
I have a friend who works in HR at a local authority, they have a a H&S role where they ask for degree, CMIOSH and min 8 years experience - they are paying 17k expect the employee to provide thier own car and wonder why they were getting a huge turnover of staff in that role and now cannot fill the role !!
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Posted By WDM
Lucky for me, I'm not looking for a job - but in the past I usually look at 20-30jobs to get a feel for the typical average - and use that as my basis for judging the likely quality/content of any job/employer I mightbe considering applying for.
So even for new starters in h&s, with basic certificate, less than £24-25k, is probably less than a reasonable salary, even in the present economic climate.
As regards, not over pricing yourself - you work for the benefit of your self/family - not your employer.
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