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#1 Posted : 21 April 2009 21:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By darby83
Hi,

I am currently serving as an engineer in the Royal Navy and am due to leave in about 12 months time.

I recently completed an IOSH accredited Risk Assessment course through work and thoroughly enjoyed it. I am considering taking the NEBOSH NGC qualification and getting into H&S when I leave the Navy.

However, reading through the forums here, it seems that there is a lack of positions in H&S at the moment.

Is this a result of the current recession or is this the norm?

Would I be better off finding a different industry to get into? I realise that most industries are struggling at the moment.

Many thanks,

Graeme.
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#2 Posted : 21 April 2009 22:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy123
Hi Graeme,

I think that you are right as far as most industries are suffering with the recession. Personally this is the first time I have been actively seeking a new role, in the 5 years I have been primarily health and safety based.

Many businessess are focusing on cost cutting measures to ensure they survive through these tough times and unfortunately H & S can be one of the first things that can get cut.

There are many organisations that are being succesful and expanding and I think the opportunities are out there and are very much focused on applicants being extremely competent to Diploma standards, but there are opportunities out there for entry level and NGC holders, its about persistence and selling yourself to those employers.

As we are going through a recession,its just a little harder than normal at the moment, and during my job search I have also found that 'your experience doesn't match our clients requirements' kind of conversations, which can be disheartening.

But I just pick myself up and carry on marketing my skills and experience. I think this can happen in any industry, however the skills and expereince gained from health and safety study and meeting other professionals will provide a sound foundation for a career in health and safety.

Taking the NGC is a worthwhile study programme, and it will give you a very broad range of health and safety areas and will also develop your knowledge of risk assessment and management principles of occupational health and safety further.

I wouldn't disregard the NGC study due to the lack of jobs, but to think of it as a positive step forward to enhancing your knowledge, experience and academic quals.

Good Luck.

Regards
Andy
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#3 Posted : 22 April 2009 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By srd
Graeme,


There does SEEM to me to have been fewer jobs advertised in SHP over the last months compared to last year, in line with most other professions I would have thought.

Others have commented in this forum in the past that H&S is difficult to get into for a newcomer as a catch-22 situation exists, with most employees requiring some sort of H&S experience.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.


Steve.
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#4 Posted : 22 April 2009 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By WayneF
Graeme
whilst I agree times are hard, I also think this could be a selling point for you??

We recently took on a chap just out of the navy who had just done his NEBOSH Gen Cert. Unlike you he wasn't an engineer but I guess like you, came with a demob training credit package which means the company will not have to pay for his Diploma.

I think many hard FM companies would be interested in an engineer with H & S credentials and can self fund at a time of cutbacks. This should be your selling point.

Good luck
Wayne
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#5 Posted : 22 April 2009 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By CW
Is it always this bad?

This morning my copy of HSW landed on my door mat. I have looked in the back and there are only 3 pages with jobs, I then dug out Octobers copy (the red shoes just jumped out)and only 6 months ago the same publication had 11 pages of jobs with more jobs per page.
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#6 Posted : 22 April 2009 12:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By srd
Graeme, Wayne has made a very good point which I had not realised. If you have a training credit package to your name then this in my view would be an excellent selling point, and as Wayne said should form the basis of your job applications.

Steve.
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#7 Posted : 23 April 2009 13:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By paul sykes
Darby
having left the Andrew last may I will say good luck
its not good out here at this moment
and to be honest everyone has the general certificate the workplace is literally swamped
why employ a cerp when you can have a Dip for the same money

I had a Management degree NEBOSH Gen,Construction, Fire, Environmental as well as HND elecronics 17 edition teaching certificate etc etc and there were no takes on my engineering background and I was a Chief weapons Engineer i thought i would have been snapped up straight away. From what i was told on my resettlement

like I say very hard.
I was lucky I am in a fire and safety role now and I love my job Doing lectures Fire and health & Safety etc
the company I work for (a healthcare trust) advertised for someone to do H&S last month
and we had over 80 applicants we wanted someone with the Gen Cert and 17 of the applicants have Diploma's and experiance that is substantial from the construction industry we even have one with a degree, this is for a 21K job
No i can Honestly say its grim up at this time

i was lucky

ohh and the CTP are all but useless
make sure your CV is amazing and do your research beforehand so you can answer all questions at interview as one slip up will cost you

there are now 70 odd applicants for every job when i applied for mine there were a third of that and that was Nov how times are changing I tell it how it is, do not come outside blinkered

I have e mailed you a cv etc which may be helpful
ATB
Paul

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#8 Posted : 23 April 2009 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By bereznikov
Paul,

Ciould you please email me some stuff too? Im struggling also.


bereznikov
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#9 Posted : 23 April 2009 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By darby83
Thanks to everyone who has responded. I will take all your advice into deep consideration.
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#10 Posted : 23 April 2009 14:46:00(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 28 April 2009 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
To you Ex & current service people:

You already have security clearance & engineering.

Here in the Nuclear field we have a chronic shortage of decent engineers, particular with NEBOSH NGC.

My company would snap up any Security clear C&I techs at any time (mods they can't see who I am nor e-mail me so I ain't advertising)and other more generalist engineer stand a good chance too.

Google jobs /security clearance/ engineer & variants.

Look up the specialist Agencies for nuclear also.


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#12 Posted : 11 July 2009 21:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By www.hsepeople.com
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Kevin Forbes
www.hsepeople.com
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