Posted By Brian Horrocks
Interesting to see some of the recent salaries quoted for work for h&s people. See the other post for a CDM-C position at £25k.

Just for the record this is what some other professions/trades charge

Solicitor £160/hr
Legal Executive £120/hr
Plumber £50/hr

Charge rates from some of the large engineering contractors - business to business:

Principal Safety Engineer - £90/hr
Senior Safety Engineer - £60-75/hr
Junior Safety Engineer - £40-50/hr

The actual rate paid by agencies to individuals is about £20-25/hr less than the above.

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For those of you who work salaried, you might like to consider:-

£25k per year = £12.02hr Gross/£9.16hr Nett
£30k per year = £14.42/hr Gross/£10.82hr Nett
£35k per year = £16.83hr/£12.48hr Nett

So for you new starters and budding consultants wanting to know what rate to charge, hope this helps.

http://www.worksmart.org.uk/tools/tax_calc.php

Guderian

Posted By Brian Horrocks
I think it goes with out saying, the senior/principal engineer jobs I mention are people with lots of engineering experience, with engineering/technical degrees and often sometimes MSc/PhDs.

They don't usually have any NEBOSH/IOSH qualifications as these qualifications are irrelevant for the type of work under taken. But they are more than competent than IOSH Gen Cert/Diploma holders etc.

Wouldn't have thought that too many NEBOSH Gen Cert/Diploma holders WITHOUT other qualifications will achieve those pay rates. You also, of course, have to be employed in the right industrial sector, that pays these rates on a regular basis.

The only exception being self employed consultants etc who have got a good number of regular clients etc.

Posted By Brian Horrocks
I work in the nuclear industry - technical support.

Since when did NEBOSH/IOSH (other than a very brief mention) teach fault tree analysis, probabilistic safety assessments (to nuclear standards) etc.

Understanding reactor physics/radiation risks/nuclear theory etc is of far more important than NEBOSH/IOSH quals

Sorry, I stand by comment that IOSH/NEBOSH are irrelevant in my particular area.

Posted By Clive Lowery
Brian,

If your employed; Your only worth what someone is prepared to pay you.

If your self employed; your only worth what you can earn.

Doesn't matter what specialisms you have or which industry you work in!

IMO of course.

Regards

Clive

Posted By andymak
Interesting post this.

I think I gained meat to the value of about £160 for doing a risk assessment for our local butcher.
Free Fruit and veg for a month from our green grocer.
And a set of tyres at £55 a go from a local garage.

Having been unemployed for a while now my views on the value of a role, and what I need to live have changed somewhat, also sometimes needs must so you get what you can!

Posted By Francis E S Hone
£20700 reduced to 3 day week pro-rata. So I'm doing other stuff Freelance training IOSH managing safely = £230. Per day FLT /Crane Operator training £180 a day. driving instructor £23 per hour so why do I put up with the £20700 per annum Security of a full time position and regular payments.
In the current climate on 3 days it allows me to build up the freelance stuff & driving tuition on the other days. When at risk of redundancy its good to know i can do better Freelancing my skills. so My exit plan is going well just now. Just waiting for the redundancy axe to fall.

Posted By Raymond Rapp
You do not necessarily get paid what you are worth. You get paid for what you are worth to the employer. In other words, many people have qualifications and skills they do not use in their day to day job, which may in another role be commensurate to their pay.

Hope that makes sense.

Posted By stephen smith
Hi everyone,

this thread looks good so lets stir it up a bit.

Solicitors etc get paid the money because they have a strict heirachy and in some cases a legal ladder which ensures that the top bods get the highest pay rate. There is also a system for ensuring that you have the right qualifications & competence for the job that you do.

My thoughts are that until the H&S industry gets this system in order we will all suffer from depreciated wages

Sorry to sound elitist but elitism pays

stephen

Posted By gavin
Please can you clarify what this means?

I am intrigued...!

"Now we just need to tackle the £200 per day types"

Posted By RIL
I'm interested to know what that means aswell....?

Posted By Paul Skyrme
OK, Hornets nest away!...

Prior to being made redundant, my previous employer was charging 4 years ago £79 per hour for engineering technicians. No I was NOT made redundant because they were too expensive in the market place, it was a combination of the start of the recession / credit crunch whatever you want to call it. The failure of Rover and several other business reduction situations. However, I had a £17k co. car with around £30k worth of kit in the boot, I was sent to Germany for several weeks per year for product training as were most of my colleagues in similar positions, I held a Masters Degree in Mechanical / Electrical / Electronic Engineering, I also served an apprenticeship on the tools and worked up from there. Some of my colleagues were Graduates, others time served. Our line managers were very H&S conscious, we worked for a diverse range of customers right across the board.
This was an acceptable rate, why, because IF we were needed, machines were on stop, bottom line was HIT HARD.
Now, having moved on to being "self employed" and started to work in H&S support to varying degrees, I have found that customers / clients, call them what you will don't value the professional advice that they seek to the same level as that provided by a technician or tradesman fixing the machines that make them money. If these machines fail from a reliability standpoint, they don't hit their profit targets, if they have an accident, then the ramifications are somewhat worse, but these costs are ignored until they occur. It is the "IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ME" syndrome.
We all know this is wrong. As we all know that to under charge for our services is wrong, so why do we do it? I can charge £30/hr for one of my fitters to go out and fix a machine, he has No Degree, No NEBOSH GC, No Professional memberships, he does not need them, why should he. However, why should a customer be prepared to pay more for his services than those of a competent & qualified professional advisor, who, could keep them out of prison, and more importantly, prevent an injury to an innocent party?
I'll tell you why, PROFIT, any Trekkies out there? Think Ferengi...

OK now I will RD&H, (Run Duck & Hide!...)

Comments...

Posted By Eliza Flutterby
I have NEBOSH General, half way through NEBOSH Fire. Still on minimum wage!!!! TYhink I'm worth just a tiny bit more, but am glad I still have a job.

Regards,

Eliza :-)

Posted By Luke.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here is the correct link:

http://www.attwoodburton...rvey_LW1_JD1_SW2_JG1.pdf

Posted By A Campbell
Seems to me the labor market is similar to any other market... thus being when demand is high the costs are high, demand is low the salary reflects the market at the time?

Posted By C. Wright
As a carpenter on the tools 3 years ago I could demand 17£/h now partly because of the economy and partly due to gangs of cheap eastern european labour the best I can get is 12.50£/h speaking to friends in other walks of life some are still on the same rate they were on a couple of years ago some like me have dropped their rate just to get the work very few are on more than they were this time last year.