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#1 Posted : 08 November 2001 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoe Barnett Good afternoon - here are a couple of questions I'd appreciate some help with! The first is probably the most complicated. We have a young child about to start in one of our schools who is known to be a Hepatitis B carrier. He also has behavioural problems in that he bites people around him. Whilst we can offer the usual measures for staff (vaccinations, awareness, hygiene etc)we are concerned about how to manage the problem with regard to the other children. The main difficulty is maintaining the child's confidentiality whilst ensuring that any bites are immediately reported and dealt with. The school has also asked what their position would be should the virus be passed to another child whose parents were unaware of the presence of a Hep B carrier at the school. If anyone else has had to deal with a similar problem and has any suggestions I'd be very glad to hear from them. The second query is easier - a school wants to take a party of children to Holland next June. One of the youngsters is disabled and will need help in evacuating the hotel if there's a fire. Ideally the school would like to hire/borrow an evac-chair to take with them (they can't get a ground floor room and they'd booked the hotel before they knew this child would be going on the trip.) Do any colleagues know of anywhere in the South East that hires out the chairs - or even better has a chair they'd be willing to lend for a week? Many thanks, Zoe
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#2 Posted : 08 November 2001 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Williams Zoe, sorry for appearing stupid or patronising here but two questions back. 1. Has anyone conducted a risk assessment using the child as the hazard? That should help with the control measures to protect the children and anyone not in your employment section 3 HASAWA 1974+MHSAW 1999. 2.Has anyone conducted a risk assessment on the Evac proccess for the other child. The use of evac chairs was banned at my last employer because of the risks involved to the people using the chair (Back Injury) and the user (falling). Its not just a case of getting the chair there are training implications for EVERYONE who may have to use it. Ashley
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#3 Posted : 08 November 2001 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoe Barnett Thanks Ashley, that's not patronising at all! I should have said that the info received will be going towards the overall risk assessment for the management of this child's condition, & that we will of course be seeking training re. the use of the evac chair if we can get our hands on one. Thanks again, Z
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#4 Posted : 08 November 2001 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Williams Zoe, Ill check with our public health team in the basement (yes we do keep them there) it may be something they have had to deal with from a health perspective. Ashley
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#5 Posted : 08 November 2001 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster For your first problem, don't loose sight of the fact that if you cannot come up with a workable solution (and I'm sorry I cannot offer one which does not breach your confidentiality requirements), you may simply have to exclude the unfortunate child until such time as the biting problem is dealt with. The safety of the other children must come first, and they are first and foremost at risk from bite injury, the Hep-B being, in this context, a secondary consideration. On your second question, have you spoken with the hotel's fire or health & safety officer? Dutch legislation is generally progressive, and may be ahead of ours in implementing disability discrimination directives. Obviously you must satisfy yourselves that what they have in place meets your requirements, but responsibility for providing the safe means of evacuation for guests, disabled or otherwise, rests with them. If, on the other hand, they are prepared to accept a wheelchair bound guest but NOT provide appropriate means of evacuation, I would be taking a much closer look at their whole attitude towards health, safety and in particular, fire precautions.
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#6 Posted : 08 November 2001 17:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch 1. Suggest you contact IOSH Public Services SG or new Education SG if you have not already done so. Someone else must have had a similar problem HSE Education NIG might help, as could Health Services NIG if eg kids' ward with patient with similar characteristics. 2. Agree with last respondent. Might have a suitable lift. Otherwise you might need to think about Evac chair (and we still use them!) Banning them on the grounds of the risks referred to above leaves questions about how else to achieve evacuation - discussed in previous DDA forum message. Have you thought about approaching the suppliers to beg, steal or borrow an Evac Chair - would have thought that their PR and marketing people would jump at the photo-opportunities (subject to the child's parents permission). Obviously needs tact and discretion. "We'd be delighted to provide a chair and will send our representative over to Holland to train up all relevant potential users at the site......" Peter
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#7 Posted : 08 November 2001 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Whoops, forgot to add contact details Paraid Ltd Paraid House Weston Lane Birmingham B11 3RS T 0121 706 6744 F 0121 706 6746 email: info@paraid.co.uk www.paraid.co.uk p
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#8 Posted : 08 November 2001 18:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike taylor Zoe, with reference to your second problem try calling your nearest british red cross, they have a wheel chair lending service. Also discuss with them the possibility of disabled escorts. hope this is of some help Regards mike
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