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#1 Posted : 03 July 2002 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Vintner
Looking for pros and cons of the wearing of harnesses in man riding baskets. Coupled with working over water.

any thoughts?

Peter
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#2 Posted : 04 July 2002 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The only exception to use them is the flying carpet (scissor lift). All other forms of basket /cage etc. can move unpredictably and trow people out.

ps Make sure the fix point is adequate.

Bob
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#3 Posted : 04 July 2002 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Vintner
Thanks Bob,

I take your point. Where can I find statutory guidance on this issue.

Pete
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#4 Posted : 04 July 2002 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
There is no direct specific statement other than in the HSE guidance where yiu will see pictures also of persons using a harness in a cherry-picker. Reg 6 of the CHS&W regs itself is not explicit on this issue. Industry standards tend to the provision and use of harnesses as a useful addition to the guard-rails on the cage.

Don't get too hung up, if you excuse the pun, on a statutory provision - take a risk based approach.

The likelihood of being thrown out is UNLIKELY but the consequences are EXTREME therefore without harnesses the risk is SUBSTANTIAL to INTOLERABLE in my terminology

Bob
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#5 Posted : 04 July 2002 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Vintner
Thanks Bob,

As I expected. Inany event it is good to bounce things off others .

Pete
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#6 Posted : 04 July 2002 13:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie Campbell
Peter
From personal experience the answer to your question will always be wear the harness and make sure that it is full body harness with the lanyard attached to a secure point in the basket. Some will argue that only a life jacket and that full body harness is not required when working over water. However, often as not the basket occupants will pass over hard ground on the way to the water.
Check out the following for some guidance. You may find that the Americans, Canadians and Australians are away ahead of us in providing practical advice on this one.

UK guidance
BS7121 part 3 Mobile Cranes Annexe D
LOLER ACOP L113 Regulation 5(1) B page 24
PUWER ACOP L22 Regulation 25 page 61
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American guidance
ASME B30.23-1998 Personnel Lifting Systems, 23-3.1.4 Personnel platform occupants
Exxon Crane Guide Checklist G page 6.17 gives some guidance on fall arrest equipment and life jackets.
OSHA 3100 1993 (Revised) for guidance on PPE requirements and personnel platform requirements
OSHA 29 CFR 1920.106 Working over or near water
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Australian guidance
NOHSC Safety Guidance Note 6 Lifting machinery: requirements for work platforms supported from cranes
NOHSC WorkHealth information bulletin Bul63, Lifting personnel by crane
See also
Canadian guidance
Z150-98 Safety Code on Mobile Cranes section 5.4.7.2.3 Fall protection requirements
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#7 Posted : 05 July 2002 09:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Vintner
Thanks Eddie,

Have looked at the links and will proceed with a policy.

Regards
Peter
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#8 Posted : 05 July 2002 15:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie Campbell
Peter

Let me know if you would like some sample copies of procedure documents for the use of man baskets, fall arrest equipment, life jackets and the use of radios. These are all separate documents intrinsically linked by the subject matter.

Eddie


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#9 Posted : 05 July 2002 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Vintner
Eddie,

I would appreciate the procedures and suporting information.

Thanks, Do you require an address or can you e-mail it?

regards

Pete
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#10 Posted : 07 July 2002 22:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
It's in the CITB literature too. Basically without the harness if the operative falls out the HSE will be able to say that you did not have a safe working method and failed in your duty under HASAWA, etc.
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