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#1 Posted : 25 July 2002 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pollington Good morninng all, I have had a number of incident reports appear on my desk regarding the Hitchcock like behaviour of some seagulls that have taken up residence on our factory roof. The reports indicate the the birds have made low swooping dives at people, whilst making a racket like only seagulls can! Thus scaring the people and making them run for cover. I'm trying to evaluate the risk to our staff but I don't know what would happen if the people did not run away, Would the birds attack? or is it just for show? I'm no ornithologist so I don't know the breed of seagull, surfice to say that they are big, ugly and very noisy. Any thoughts Chris.
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#2 Posted : 25 July 2002 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Clarkson chris Based on personal experience. Seagulls nesting on roof should be identified as a hazard prior to anyone accessing roof area for maintenance/repair etc. and taken into consideration at risk assessment process. If swooping on persons at ground level - prior to any control measures being taken - advise checking whether species of gull is protected.
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#3 Posted : 25 July 2002 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Appleton As well as the possible risk of physical attack by these birds – there’s also the environmental health risk & maybe even slip hazards from the mess they leave behind. A number of airports, local councils etc now use birds of prey to scare away unwanted birds. Maybe this is an option worth consideration, as well as looking into what is encouraging these birds to come to your premises in the first place
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#4 Posted : 25 July 2002 11:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alison Dando Do as Steve suggests and contact your local hawk centre. With pidgeons you can also cull them using registered pest control people using air rifles (they use corn to bring them into an area they can control for culling purposes), unfortunately seagulls aren't usually as easy. You will need to discuss with the hawking centre that they bring the birds in at different times of the day, otherwise the seagulls get clued upto a set time and fly off. Also with hawks you won't have many people ringing up the RSPCA as they do with pest controllers using air rifles. If you are in a semi rural area you will need to watch the local crow population as it has been recorded that they will gather in numbers to attack a working hawk and the hawking centre will then pull out. This advice only sorts out an immediate issue but you need to find out why the seagulls are drawn to your bulidings in the first place (rubbish bins not closed properely, scraps of food left out for the local pet cat? etc. If it is waste scraps then watch out for rats as well)and try and sort out the route cause of the attraction if possible.
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#5 Posted : 25 July 2002 11:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Lucas Steve I've sent you a personal email re: my former life in Pest Bird Control, with the details of a falconer and his hawks. I used him/bird and he also "looks after" a similar problem at Westminster Abbey. Regards Ken
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#6 Posted : 25 July 2002 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Gray Chris, Try contacting Gloucester City Council they had a well publicised problem with a car park attendent being dive bombed. I don't know what the out come was but it does not appear in the local press anymore. Their H&S Dept number is 01452 396304, they might be able to help.
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#7 Posted : 25 July 2002 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone A quick and easy way to deter seagulls is to place plasic owls around the roof, this scares the gulls away
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#8 Posted : 25 July 2002 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pollington Thanks to all who responded, I now have some good leads to follow. Chris.
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#9 Posted : 25 July 2002 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Higginson Chris, Make sure you have a documented risk assessment, or you may find yourself in trouble when you're in front of the "beak". Sorry, Nick
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#10 Posted : 25 July 2002 15:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frederick Mars Chris I wouldn't bother with the plastic scary birds if I were you. We have a few of these -they worked for a few weeks ( if that ) but are now all covered in **it. Word soon gets around that these guys are fake.
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#11 Posted : 25 July 2002 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough Another interesting thread which echoes that of the recent "For fox sake" thread. When your organisation manages to shift the present resident seagulls and their nests, it might be worth considering methods to deter future seagulls from landing and making nests on ledges and cranny-like features on your buildings, although there's probably little that can or needs to be done about large expanses of sloping roof area. My employer uses nets and rows of proprietary protruding metal wire spikes which seem to effectively deter pigeons from landing on various buildings. I don't directly have any details of makers or know whether such features are also effective against seagulls. However, the makers and other readers of this thread from seaside areas should be able to advise on this.
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#12 Posted : 25 July 2002 21:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Lusby I think to all those who suffer a similar problem, all seagulls are big, ugly and noisy, though I have heard other expressions. They start to exhibit this somewhat aggressive behaviour as the breeding season commences, and it culminates when the chicks are hatched. Then the full force of the avian aggression reaches a crescendo. Woe to him who dares walk near with a white hard hat, this sends our avian friends apoplectic with rage (seems only fair to a species with such reputed ocular capability, surely a white hard hat looks exactly like a seagull). At this time of year there seems little incentive to remaining late at work. For the lone car in the car park is something to be savoured by our seagull friends, indeed looking at the resultant mess, worth saving themselves all day for. There can be few things like walking towards your car, seeing a group of seagulls lift en-mass from its roof, while shrieking joyously after their recent release and clipping you on the back of the head as they fly off. I think they are all protected and quite right as well. For with their somewhat strange behaviour, they surely need it. I think the trick is to stop them nesting. Good luck. Nigel
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#13 Posted : 26 July 2002 08:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pollington Since yesterday I've followed up on the reported incidents, one suprise to me was that it appears that the person involved in all 3 "attacks" has white hair. Reading Nigels thread from yesterday this colour appears to wind our feathery friends up. So my solution now becomes simple, a quick visit to B**ts the chemist, a packet of hair dye and problem solved! Incidently we tried the big plastic owls about six years ago for pidgeons and we had a similar experience with them being sussed as fake, I'm interested in ken's hawk idea though. Thanks again Chris.
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#14 Posted : 26 July 2002 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Two points to consider, one of which has already been covered. Thses gulls are being attracted by two things, food and breeding suitability. Find out where the food is being made available and eliminate it. (the old method of filling a roast potato with carbide is no longer acceptable!) If you have nice flat roofs or similar suitable for nesting find some method of making life difficult. The most cost effective soulution, depending on the site and your local water company, is lawn sprinklers - they only need to be in place for a month or so. For nearly all common species it is permissible to remove the eggs if you can gain access - check with your local bird group. Once they are hatched they have prtotection Laurie
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#15 Posted : 26 July 2002 08:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone OK the plastic owls not a long term solution, but I have worked as a falconer and have used Harris Hawks to great effect, the main thing to remember is to get someone who knows what they are doing and not someone you met in the park flying his bird. The last thing you want is for the bird to kill the gull, when the hawk is on the kill the other gulls go mental and try and kill the hawk. Make sure the times are varied (as stated earlier) so the gulls dont get used to it, vary the vehicles they arrive in as they get used to it. Stop them from landing on the roof using nets and contact the local council pest control office. If all else fails get your staff to wear crash helmets and then take bets on who can get to their cars the fastest!
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#16 Posted : 30 July 2002 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Adams Have had considerable experience at the receiving end of this problem with nesting on top of oil storage tanks where daily access is required. The only cure is completely unethical! The same bird will nest in the same location every year and it's offspring will take over the "ancestral home" in due course unless disuaded in a permanent manner! If you cure the problem this year, it will return next year.
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#17 Posted : 30 July 2002 13:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker This thread amply illustrates the joy of the forum. You get a good laugh. There is always some poor sap worse off than yourself. The breath of knowledge and experiences you can tap into is quite mind boggling. I always feel less “alone” when reading fellow H&S advisor’s problems.
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#18 Posted : 30 July 2002 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Shaun The plastic owls were tried up here in sunny North of Scotland, they made a lovely perch for the Seagulls. We have had cases of Seagulls actully physically striking people which is not only painful but very sore. We have also had instances of them snatching food from hands when persons leaving canteen. I am afraid that as we feed them too often they have no fear of man or woman. From voice of experience it is no fun when they swoop down and attack, often deposting there lunch as they do so.
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#19 Posted : 31 July 2002 09:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor Just to support two earlier suggestions:- 1. The only effective ways we have found to keep unwanted birds away from parts of our historic buildings have been nets and spikes - installed by a specialist company. 2. Although I live only a mile from the sea, we never get any visits from gulls - which I attribute to the colonies of rooks, crows, jackdaws and magpies. [If you want to scare them away you need to give them something they are really scared of!].
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#20 Posted : 31 July 2002 09:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Thomas Thought for the day - "Thank goodness cows can't fly"
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#21 Posted : 02 August 2002 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Diane Warne If these gulls are really big - bigger than other gull species you see around - they are probably herring gulls. Renowned for being noisy and aggressive during breeding season. By the way, if any of these "attacks" result in skin being broken, the wound should be very well cleaned as wild birds do carry diseases that could affect people. Sorry if this sounds obvious but I think it's worth making the "victims" aware of this. Having said that, did the birds actually do damage to these people? People sometimes say they have been "attacked" by something when in reality it only rushed/flew at them. I only mention that because it might be a good idea to distinguish between actual "accidents" (person injured) and "oooh it scared me" incidents.
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#22 Posted : 03 August 2002 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Lusby Interestingly as has been stated, it is apparently perfectly permissible to remove the eggs before they are hatched. I mentioned to our groundsman that the eggs of the Black Headed Gull are a recognised delicacy. In fact sold in Harrods and other purveyors of fine foods, apparently the way of it is hard boiled with a pinch of celery salt, adored by Gourmets (allegedly), and each egg sold for over £1:80 . As I remember the groundsmans' eyes narrowed, whether in disbelief in their edibility, possibly whether celery salt was the best condiment or indeed as he calculated the capital return from such a harvest. Regards Nigel
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