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Posted By Ashley Williams
It would seem that from two threads running at the moment that those of us in the TechSP category along with members in the other categories seem to be concerned about the way membership of our organisation is managed.
I would be interested to see the comments on others with regards to the IIRSM who have recently chosen to open up the category of full member to people who may have lower qualifications but do have the wealth of experience and knowledge required for the grade.
After all as many of you have stated the courses run by NEBOSH are costly and it could be considered that some of the recent results for the courses have been far from impressive especially on Dip 2, thus re-enforcing the impression that there is some elitism out there.
Ashley
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Hi, Ashly.
Yes, it's always interesting to note that not much is said about the International Institute of Risk and Safety Management (Although I am a member of IIRSM - as well as IOSH myself). To be rather frank, I have always found their presence on the WWW to be a rather poor, as I think their web site demonstrates, and are run at a much lower ebb than IOSH.
As far as entering the IIRSM is concerned, it is worth noting that (in my humble opinion) most members of IIRSM are overseas based persons or MOD/Armed services based. The armed services in particular seem to like IIRSM membership. Not of course that this has anything whatsoever to do with the lower criteria for full membership.
IOSH of course, as far as I am aware, do not mention IIRSM very much (Elitist?), but I would not be suprised at all, that when IOSH becomes an awarding body for the title 'Chartered' (Safety Practitioner?), that IIRSM becomes ...at some point in the non too distant future, amalgamated with and absorbed by IOSH.
This seems generally to be the way of things in respect of Chartered bodies and non-chartered bodies within the same peer group !!! and has happened many time before.
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Posted By Allan St.John Holt
For what it's worth, IIRSM has a long history of trying to snuggle up to IOSH. At least ten years ago in James Tye's day there were discussions about IOSH 'taking over' IIRSM. I seem to remember then (and since) that those (and later) talks fell down for two main reasons.
First, there's a huge overlap of members. Something like 60% of IIRSM members at some level also have IOSH membership at some level. A lot of people sem to think they get benefit from maintaining two memberships and that's a matter for them of course. But combining the organisations would inevitably mean a large loss of income overall.
Secondly, and more importantly, those levels. The original talks foundered because old James wanted the DipSM holders to be given corporate membership, and that was never going to happen. More realistically, nobody could figure out how you could establish some kind of equivalence that would not either irritate all the IOSH members, or all the IIRSM members.
No doubt, as you say, in time these things may come to pass. But don't imagine nobody has thought of it before!
Cheers,
Allan
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Ashley et al,
Glad to see the membership 'thing' is still stewing nicely, I think it is good to air certain views in the light of recent developments.
Interestingly I am a TechSP who is currently completing a MSc in H&S Management and on completion I will gain full membership to IOSH and IIRM. I have never been quite sure what the latter is or does so I must check out their web site.
Personally I am not in favour of integration between bodies as in my experience the more senior dictates and soon becomes one and all. I remember when Jag and Tiger comics amalgamated and very soon after Jag was dropped from the title, okay not a great analogy, but I think you see my point. Competition is important and keeps one on their toes.
Health and safety has changed from a 'cottage industry' to a vast field with specialist knowledge and associations must go hand in hand. Perhaps IIRM should consider raising their profile.
Regards
Ray
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