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#1 Posted : 19 February 2003 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michelle Driscoll We are planning to apply glazing film onto the windows of our offices in order to increase the insulation during winter. The type of stuff we are looking at is applied direct to the glass and 'strunk' to size using a hairdryer. Are there any safety implications not so much in the application itself but the fact it's another layer on the glass theyby reducing ease of exit
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#2 Posted : 19 February 2003 13:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Dear Michelle Could you clarify your question. It reads as though you are worried about whether the film will prevent people from exiting through the window. On the other hand you also refer to it being 'shrunk to size' but at the same time being applied direct to the glass. I am familiar with secondary double glazing that is applied to the frame and shrunk to remove the wrinkles. Often the window opening handle would be between the applied layer and the glass. However, unless opening the window is part of your means of escape, there should be no problem. Or have I misunderstood? Jane
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#3 Posted : 19 February 2003 13:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Lightbody Please refer to the manufacturers guidance on the application of the film or ask them the question. Dependant on the reflective nature of the film, solar gain places different thermal stresses on the glass particularly at the edge, where the film is not carried tight to the frame. I have heard of instances where the glass fractures and eventually requires to be replaced.
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#4 Posted : 19 February 2003 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By George Wedgwood I would advise that the process should be risk assessed and recorded, using specialist advice (available from the Glass and Glazing Federation for example) to qualify the materials, process of application and competency of persons carrying out the work. One problem I have come across is the application of such plastic film (directly to glass)to prevent shattering in the event of it being hit. The glass in question was toughened and had previously 'spontaneously' exploded, with the fragments narrowly missing an employee. A plastic film was specified by someone to prevent it shattering, but the actual outcome was that now, instead of shattering into tiny fragments, the glass could now fall out as a complete sheet, providing a much more significany risk to anyone passing underneath! The application of plastic film to cut down heat loss has been useful in the past but modern double glazing is very efficient,(yes, more expensive but very long lasting) and avoids the problems of compliance with Building Regs, which could be cited in your case if you are regarded as changing the specification of the window. This bit is worth checking out with your Local Authority Technical Services dept.
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#5 Posted : 19 February 2003 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By john ridley Exit through the window? Why? This is not normally an acceptable exit or entry route, particularly in a emergency evacuation situations. However,I think we need more information about your particular circumstances? There shouldn't be an issue other than the risk assessment/method statement prior to installation. Indeed it may enhance the protection from external explosion etc. Hope this helps John
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#6 Posted : 19 February 2003 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michelle Driscoll Thanks for the advice - the window is not an exit route and the reason we have chose this method is that our lease runs out in 2005 and this is the most temporary cost effective method. As the building is a single story the risk of the whole window falling out is nil so the main points to assess will be the method of application and the streeses upon the window after application.
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#7 Posted : 19 February 2003 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Why not turn up the heat?
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#8 Posted : 19 February 2003 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick House Hi Michelle - you say that the risk of the window falling as a complete sheet is nil as you are in a single storey building. The risk is still present, and should still be assessed if there are footpaths, car parking areas, cycle racks etc in the vicinity of the 'fall area', as in the event that a window should fall out (for whatever reason) passers by and/ or property could still be affected. Regards Nick.
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#9 Posted : 19 February 2003 20:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Michelle An aspect which you may not have considered is that most of these films cut down the light to a greater or lesser degree. This means that in December natural daylight can disappear soon after lunch. If any staff suffer from SAD this may exacerbate the condition Laurie
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#10 Posted : 20 February 2003 09:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michelle Driscoll Thanks for all the information. Basically the fuel bills for this small office are very high, so we were merely seeking a short-term solution to improve some of the insulation values around the rather draughty windows. The lighting is very good and all the staff have been consulted about the repercusions on their natural light. With your info we were able to risk assess this and provide staff will all the detail they required Michelle
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#11 Posted : 20 February 2003 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Looks like you have a problem with the 'U' value (heat transfer rate) and maybe you need to address this rather than put a plaster on it. Would fix the draughts and any other insulation problem first as the insulation value you get from this stuff is very minimal contrary to what the installer says. have you looked at the lease agreement and approached the landlord as they surley have a responsibility to repair / make good / maintain or get rent reduction if they are not willing to recover your costs.
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#12 Posted : 20 February 2003 12:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack I'm sure Daves right. I hadn't read this one properly. Surely sticking film to the glass (with no separation distance) can't have any significant insulation benefits?
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#13 Posted : 20 February 2003 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Jack is almost certainly right, which is why I was struggling with the idea that a film put straight on the window was going to be much good in the application you mention. As a quick and dirty way of figuring out whether something is a good insulator, place the back of your hand against it. If it feels warm it is a good insulator (because it is not allowing the heat to flow from your hand). You have to do this test where you are comfortably warm and certainly warmer than the surroundings (such as in the average office). If the material feels cold it is not a good insulator. The difference between expanded polystyrene and glass is quite dramatic. So compare a treated window with an untreated window and unless the difference is quite marked, I would not buy it! Jane
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