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#1 Posted : 29 September 2003 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tyler
Your thoughts Ladies and Gentlemen on the 'Aviation health Bill' (First Parliamentary Hearing June 2003, second reading due in November 2003).

Airlines are to extend their duty of care to include the health of passengers (and not just safety).

In other words airlines are to consider the effects of Deep vein Thrombosis for example in addition to tripping over and so on.

Is it about time?

Or is it too early?

Your thoughts would interest me.

Tyler
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#2 Posted : 29 September 2003 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
No comment!
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#3 Posted : 29 September 2003 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
No Comment as I do not know who you are and would not like to respond to a 'ghost'.

what is your opinion first of all?
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#4 Posted : 07 October 2003 15:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tyler
My view is...

1, The research it is based on is limited. However it is common consensus that sitting for long periods causes DVT.

2, The aviation companies should provide funds for/to assist in research.

3, They should extend their duty of care to include the health, as well as safety, of passengers where reasonably practicable and have more facilities to minimise the risk of DVT and other health issues.

4, I know the aviation companies will increase prices to off set this, so the passengers will end up paying in the long run.

5, As a frequent(ish) passenger I am willing to pay a little extra (as I frequently do for more leg room). What price do you put on life??

6, Flying is no longer a 'high risk and novel form of transport' as the Warsaw Pact suggested back in the dark ages

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7, I think the aviation companies and the authorities really have no excuse but to look into this as a serious issue.

Tyler
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#5 Posted : 08 October 2003 08:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin West
Come on Dave!!

You are probably the most important person to give a comment on this!

I think this is an important development to both the health and safety world and the aviation industry and cannot indeed must not be ignored.

Kev
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#6 Posted : 08 October 2003 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ok Guys,

One caveat in that these are my opinions and not that of my employer.
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1, couldnt agree more thats why the airline are investing money and helping with research into this.

2. See above

3. We do and make no mistake safety & security with my company is the number one priority

4 You are having a laugh here mate any airline which increases its fares today will not survive, ALL airlines globally are losing money and it has never been cheaper to fly today than ever before. Dont get the passengers will pay in the long run? you want to fly, you pay, at what price is the consumers choice, like in any other industry an airline will ask for what it thinks thge market will pay.

5.How many people fly daily and how many then get DVT so what is the probability? OK one life is too many but the ' chance'?

There are many things which a pax can do to reduce this probability and we in BA along with other airlines have pre flight advice and in flight programmes for this.

6. Flying under the umbrella of the CAA & FAA (US) is so tightly governed you would not believe, in other countries this may not be so. Flying is the safest form of travel, however the problem is than when it does go wrong '340 people with an over 3 day' is not the likely outcome! thats why safety & security is and has to be the top priority for all airlines.

7 I agree IATA,ICAO, CAA and the airlines do take any Safety/Health issue seriously and to suggest they dont is folly, however in todays market place how you going to differentiate between say Virgin and Singapore Airlines flying into the UK?
One provides better seat angle by law the other doesnt so can get more pax onboard so make more money, in the long run the less seats airline goes under.




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#7 Posted : 08 October 2003 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Petrie
I think airlines are being unfairly treated with the DVT thing. Surely coach and train operators should be taking similar responsibilities. (have you ever taken the coach from carlisle to london, it makes the flight to japan look like a walk in the park).

Another point which causes me concern is the cimena, I have seen advertisements for a back to back showing of the lord of the rings trilogy later this year. This will be over 9 hours long. I think this there is just as much chance of DVT occuring in this circumstance as on a plane.
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#8 Posted : 08 October 2003 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tyler
Except that in a cinema you have more leg room and the ability to get up and walk around outside if you wish.

These are not options on a plane, where the leg room makes a joke of the exercise video at the beginning of the flight.

Thanks for responding though!!

more please!!

Tyler
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#9 Posted : 08 October 2003 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson
I dont think that the airlines are being unfairly treated its just that other areas of transport are not getting the same high profile treatment. its this image that its all sexy and funky and we pay high salaries to lounge around the world are just not true, but it makes a good story!

If we in the aviation industry can foresee a safety / security problem then it is addressed as safety & security are at the top of the agenda, £000,000,000 on cockpit doors, Flight Management Systems, better security and baggage screening in a time where cash is king and fares are at an all time low.

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