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#1 Posted : 14 October 2003 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Thompson Afternoon all, Today I recieved a phone call from a gentleman from one of our local football clubs, he was basically enquiring as to who is the H+S enforcing authority for the ground. As far as I could make out they were looking to install barriers etc and wished to know what requirements there were for the force/load the barriers would have to take. That in itself is not the question I pose, I work for a borough council and having spoken to our environmental health department they claimed the football club was not their "responsibility" (for want of a better word) and neither was it mine as an internal adviser (the ground is not council owned). He told me that he had first contacted the FA who informed him to speak to the police, they in turn informed him that he needed some form of certificate of inspection and that said he needed to contact the HSE. They suggested the Borough Council, and after deliberation I suggested the County Council, dont suppose it is but couldnt think of any one else! I did say I would try to find out for him, hence my question to the forum, does any one know who should carry out an inspection/be responsible for enforcing H+S at the ground. Thanks in advance Lee
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#2 Posted : 14 October 2003 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Gray Lee The enforcing authority is the local authority i.e. the borough or city council as they have to grant any licences that may be required.
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#3 Posted : 14 October 2003 23:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Westhead I think you have to ask the local authority do you need a safety certificate for the ground (depending on size/number of spectators etc.). This is a legal requirement, the safety certificate must be in place before you can open your turnstiles and is issued by the local authority. What is a bit concerning is how long has the club been running without a safety certificate if it needs one. Dave.
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#4 Posted : 15 October 2003 00:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Craythorne As an ex enforcment officer I can concur that it is the Local Authority Paul
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#5 Posted : 15 October 2003 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker The worrying thing here is that the LA don't appear to be aware it is their job. I was reading a report on the TUC site about the appalling record of H&S enforcement (nil effectively) by some LAs. How are they allowed to ignore their statutory responsibilities?
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#6 Posted : 15 October 2003 10:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Thompson Following everyones responses, I today contacted our environmental health department and it appears that whoever my caller from the football club had previously spoken to in their department had given him the wrong information. Anyhow, the football club has since been contacted by environmental health and the issue is being resolved. Thank you everyone for their input. Lee
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#7 Posted : 15 October 2003 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Murphy Hi Lee, Football Club safety certification is not a straightforward issue. Things vary greatly between designated and non designated grounds. This is something that is on the increase as the Govt together with LA's and the Football Licensing Authority attempt to raise the level of safe spectator accomodation at football grounds. Here are a couple of sites that will assist: www.fsoa.co.uk the site for the Football Safety Officers Association www.flaweb.org.uk the Football Licensing Authority site Enforcing Authority departments vary across the country's councils from Building Control to Trading Standards. If you need any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me directly. Regards Paul
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#8 Posted : 16 October 2003 16:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murphy A gentle nudge towards the Local uthority circular which describes the relationship between the Safety of Sports Grounds Act 1975 (as amended by the Fire Safety and Safety of Places of Sport Act 1987) and the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 (http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/63-2.htm)may makes things clearer. For information though not all local authorities have responsibility (The 1975 and 1987 Acts are administered in London by the London Borough Councils and in Metropolitan Authorities by the Metropolitan District and Unitary Councils, and in the rest of England and Wales by the County Councils. In Scotland the work is carried out by Regional or Islands Councils. they are referred to as the "Certifying Authorities"). Regards John
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