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#1 Posted : 22 October 2003 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlanB I am at the point of having to make a decision regarding my future now. One option is to go to a University on the outskirts of Sydney, Australia for a year to study for a Master of Applied Science (Occupational Health, Safety and Environmental Management), which costs £6000 to do, and I would have to self fund (then there are the additional transport and living costs). I am worried that this may not give me the same opportunities as a NEBOSH diploma. Tne opportunity is a great chance to study in a wonderful place, but I am concerned that employers would consider a Masters to be an over-qualification, or too specialised (even though the course covers a wide range of topics). I am currently working as a HSE and Quality management role, and I know the company would consider paying for me to do a NEBOSH diploma or equivalent, but Iwant to aim higher up the ladder. Any comments regarding this potential move? Many thanks, Alan
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#2 Posted : 22 October 2003 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser Alan, Can't advise you directly, but the Accredited Courses recognised for IOSH membership are on link: http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...ership.courses#Australia in the Membership Information section. I'm afraid the course you quoted isn't there. Best thing to do is consult IOSH - select the most appropriate from the list given in "Cintact us" - they can advise you best. As for industry recognistion, well . . . the argument continues to rage as to the comparison between professional body memberships, qualifications and comparisons, and so on. There is no definite answer except that IOSH is highly recognised as a leading Safety institution in industry as a whole, and theat NEBOSH qualifications are the most requested in job adverts. Your problem will be to persuade potential employers that your post-grad degree is not too specialised and it is roughly equivalent to the more recognised NEBOSH diploma. The actual degree itself and where it came from won't be too much of a problem - after all, most employers won't have too much knowledge in the dark arts of safety qualifications anyway!
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#3 Posted : 22 October 2003 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Francis MSc MIOSH RSP Hi Alan, I had started an NVQ IV when the chance to do a Masters degree in SHE arose. I chose to do the Masters (after advice)- and don't regret it at all for a number of reasons but the ones I will concentrate on are: 1) If you can stretch yourself academically to do it, it should prove worthwhile- it'll be testing but you'll feel that you've pushed yourself. It is a "natural" progression from a first degree. 2) If you are not 100% sure that you will always be in SHE it is still a Masters- and should be recognised as such be others/employers. 3) People still don't always recogise a "NEBOSH" but they do a "Masters"- which tells them the academic level you are competent at. HOWEVER, you really do need to find out why its not IOSH recognised (or is it too new etc..) because you may need to take a NEBOSH as well depending on what/where you want to go. Let us know what you decide Good luck
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#4 Posted : 23 October 2003 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlanB Sean, Francis, Thank you for your responses. In answer to some of the points you mentioned, I have contacted IOSH and they do recognise it as reaching the standards required for membership. As for the comparison bwetween NEBOSH and a Masters I know that the masters is a much higher level of learning, but as you say, employers are not generally that well clued up on health and safety training. Francis - I agree that at the end of the day a Masters is a Masters and will stand me well in the future anyway, regardless of whether I stay in H&S or not. I must admit, I had not actually considered that before you mentioned it, but it certainly is true. Plus I get to live near Sydney for a year. Thank you for your constructive advice. Alan
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#5 Posted : 23 October 2003 10:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Alan and Sean, If you look on http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...fm?go=membership.courses I think you will find that the course is accredited for membership. I have pasted the details below. University of Western Sydney MSc in Occupational Safety, Health and Environmental Management (Australia only) (p/t d/l M) Having undertaken a NEBOSH Diploma and having started a Masters degree in Environmental Management, I would recommend the Masters Degree every time.
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#6 Posted : 23 October 2003 11:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil Pearson From a purely career point of view, I would suggest doing the Diploma and getting some experience as early as possible.
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#7 Posted : 23 October 2003 15:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By AlanB Arran, Neil Thank you for your reply. I agree with both viewpoints, but I do tend to edge for the Masters route, as I don't really see the point in doing a diploma nest year, and then a masters again a couple of years down the line. I may as well cut out the middle stage and get the cream. I already have 3 years experioence in HSE and 2 working as a consultant geologist and environmental engineer, so I have SOME experience. Once I have the qualification at the end of the year I would be willing to work on the cheap just to get some more experience. If things go right I would be looking at staying on in Australia for a year or two to get experience, make some contacts and build a better CV. I have only just turned 26 now, so I still have a couple of years left to play around wihth my time before the mortgage and kids come along! Just as an interesting point, I recently posted a similar question on the Safety Institute of Australia discussion forum (www.sia.org.au) asking if the masters qualification or experience is best route to take into Safety and Health. The discussion was a huge success, with a 50/50 split opinion. The thread had the biggest number of responses and hits on the forum. It was still going strong until a couple of weeks back. That was over 6 months of discussion!!! Anyway, it's a tough one and everyone has their opinion, and it truly does appear to be 50/50. I guess I am more inclined to do the masters. Thanks again, Alan
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