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#1 Posted : 19 December 2003 11:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Any tips on making health & safety audits a pleasant experience?

I have put together a long list of questions based around each part of our health & safety manual. It takes about a day to go through them with line managers. By the end of the audit session the managers end-up tired and demoralised!

I hope it's not me! I can motivate people during training sessions and less-structured visits. I just need to find a way of making audits more palatable - without compromising the detail and evidence required.
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#2 Posted : 19 December 2003 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Turner
Nigel,

I think that you will never totally remove the negative response to audit, however I always try to ensure that I approach the audit in a positive sense. I ensure that auditee understands that the audit is not there to catch them out, or to see what they are not doing etc. I explain that it used for the benefit of all concerned and that the audit findings are to used as a guide to how improvements can be made. If the pressures of core activities are preventing compliance with policies/procedures etc, the audit will identify this, likewise if the policy/procedures are not working or having the desired effect, again the audit will highlight this issue. I agree that it is a thin line to walk, but by being positive and by ensuring as much as possible that the auditee is prepared for the audit, will be of real benefit. When audit notification has taken place, if possible spend time with the auditee, to explain the process, what is going to happen and how they can prepare. In past roles I have produced a managers guide to the audit process, with flow charts etc, which details the process from arranging the audit to the close out report. If you would like to have a look at this, please let me know.Remember be positive, be happy and empathise don't sympathise!

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Chris T
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#3 Posted : 19 December 2003 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt
Step back and have a look at your audit or ask another safety professional to have a look at it for you.

Is everything you ask essential - does it addd to the audit. Should you be looking at specific topics rather than them all. How deep or how high do you need to go. Quite a few years ago my boss and I tried out separate RoSPA QSA audit on two business units. Sure, you get lots of information, but the majority was of no use to us.

How about splitting the audit - to ask anybody to take a whole day out seems unreasonable. I would think both you and the auditee would be reeling by the end of the day. It's not something I would inflict on myself let alone others.

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#4 Posted : 19 December 2003 18:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
I agree that a one-day session is too much.
We often have to suffer them, but it's part of our job and we love to show off how much we know about safety don't we ? Share it, split it up, condense it but at the most get it down to no more than half a day per person, including a good coffee break, and the auditor pays for lunch.

Above all keep it positive - let your people know that you are not there to measure how bad that are - you want to see how much of the good stuff they know - starting from zero, how many brownie points can they rack up ! And you want to know how good the safety guys have been in producing an understandable, well communicated programme. Can they help YOU to improve your performance ?
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#5 Posted : 22 December 2003 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Thanks for your advice guys, this is all very useful.

Health & Safety is so often seen as a dull subject that is all about bureaucracy and stopping people having fun. I'm convinced that these misconceptions can be broken down. I feel I've managed this in my training sessions, newsletters and procedures.

If I can just make audits a pleasant and helpful experience, I'll be happy and so will my victims!! So thanks for your views and ideas. Any more comments would also be very welcome

Regards

Nigel
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#6 Posted : 22 December 2003 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
Working for a Local Auhtority our people are always being audited by Finance, Internal & external audit, Care Commission etc. We decided to call our audtis 'Advisory visits'.

We do a pre visit (if its someone who hasn't been through the scheme before) to talk with them about what its all about and the aim of the visit. This also allows them to prepare for the 'visit' cutting down some time.


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#7 Posted : 23 December 2003 23:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Nigel.

I have just conducted out first round OHSAS 18001 audits. Getting to grips with auditing can be a strain, not only on those being audited but on the auditor too.

I took the primary questions from the 18001 document and used this as the audit base, and asked for all H&S files to be available on the day (the audit took approximately 3 days at each site).

I went through the paperwork without bothering anyone, and raised questions in note form and whilst carry out inspections to further verify what what shown in documents, asked questions from the notes made.

In addition further inspections of the workplace were carried out for compliance with various H&S requirements and notes made of both good and poor practice.

I did need to bother managers, supervisors and shift managers ect on occassions to ask questions and take brief notes in respect of matter for which little information was available, however this was good as I was also able to provide feed back to them right then and there as well.

In the final analysis, I drew up a report based on the 18001 main questions, and now also employing the sub questions as well, and an action plan which included proposed actions required, proposed 'completion by' dates (subject to negotiated agreement). I then sent copies of the report and action plan to all senior mangers responsible and arranged to have a meeting with them 1 week following the audit.

The meeting directly discussed what was in the action plan - as reference by the audit report, and as the managers had time to read the audit report and the action plan, they had time to decide on responses, what they agreed/disagreed with and how progress was to be made. generally a non-confrontational meeting with positive aspects and leaving everyone in no doubt as to what was required, by whom and by when.

I found this a beneficial way of conveying the audit findings and managers appreciated having the time to read and digest the report and action plan, and also think about how they could move things on/progress, based on the proposed action to be taken.

All in all, everyone was happy (with the process if not the findings) and agreed that it was far less onerous than they had envisaged than before the audit started...
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#8 Posted : 31 December 2003 11:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frederick George Robotham
Why should audits be a pleasant experience?Inherently they are about discovering deficicencies in systems and improving.Make them sweat seems the way to go for my money.
George Robotham
Brisbane
Australia
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#9 Posted : 31 December 2003 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Atkinson
Whilst auditing can be draining as it is an intensive process, part of the skill of an auditor is to put the auditee at ease. This is essential, as it will make your life easier - you really want them to open up, and volunteer information, rather than having to dig for it all the time. The opening meeting is the most important time of an audit, as the scene is set for the rest of the process. Make sure everyone who will be affected by the audit is invited, and ensure they all understand why the audit is being carried out. I personally find using phrases like "Brownie Points" etc counter productive - keep it professional but informal. Audits are not about looking for breaches - in fact the opposite is true - an audit is a tool to verify that an organisations safety management system is working, and to identify where opportunities for improvement exist. Once people understand this (and the auditor demonstrates it through their behaviour) they usually relax. One final point - with the best will in the world simply reading out questions and ticking boxes is boring for Auditor and Auditee alike - try to really understand the question set, and plan structured conversations that cover the necessary issues - I am sure you will find the process much more rewarding.

Happy New Year
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#10 Posted : 31 December 2003 16:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Waldram
One point in addition to the previous responses: Have you read the advice on auditing in IOSH Guidance 'Systems in Focus'? (pp 21/22 - especially the 1st bullet under 'good auditing practice on p 21 and the tip in the box at the top of p 22). [You can view and download the document on the IOSH Technical page if you don't already have a copy].
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