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#1 Posted : 11 June 2004 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Gould
I went to a safety group meeting recently with the intent of finding out the benefits of joining the group. At this meeting there was a guest speaker talking about the Claims culture and she mentioned some things company safety managers should be aware of to avoid additional cost being added to each claim. I never had anything on me to take notes but found this very interesting and well presented.

Does anyone with experience of ongoing claims have a good checklist or info that would be of use to a potential safety manager so as they could better deal with these situations as and when they arise.
I am just a tad pre-occupied at the moment to spend time researching this deeper.

Thank you in advance

Jason
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#2 Posted : 11 June 2004 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
What may be claimed for in civil proceedings is largely determined by the courts. There are basically three elements in any claim.

1) loss of earnings, this is a net amount based on average earnings in the period proceeding the accident minus any sums paid in sickness, industrial injury or other benefits. In fact state benefits already paid may have to be repaid. Loss of earnings can include an estimate of future loss, either total, if the person is unable to work at all, or partial if they cannot go back to work paid at the same level as before the accident.
2) A sum to include the cost of medical treatment not able to be provided by the National Health Service and additional support or assistance required eg if the person must use a wheel chair, cost of converting the home or car, cost of home visits by nurse or care assistant.
3) A sum to cover pain and suffering. A very subjective judgement, rarely erring on the side of the claimant. It is estimated by examining medical reports on the injured person and or testimony by doctors.

Interest charged at current commercial rates back to the date of the accident can usually also be added to the claim. “Punitive” damages are not normally awarded by British courts in the way they appear to be in the US. This may be due to our stricter regulatory framework, the civil courts seeing their duty being to compensate and that of the criminal courts to punish.

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#3 Posted : 11 June 2004 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Gould
Thanks John

It was also discussed about the extra fees claim companys can add when a responce is not given in certain time limits and the fact that some claim firms add misleading requests as to make a company take longer in responding so as they can charge these fees.

This is what I am finding difficult to fully understand and would like some advice on how this happens and how to prevent this happening.

Jason
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#4 Posted : 12 June 2004 09:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Sinclair
Jason,

It is likely that the speaker was referring to the Pre-Action Protocol (PAP) checklist required to comply with the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.

The PAP requires each side to disclose information as part of any civil claim for damages.

It is vitally important that all H&S practitioners are familiar with and able to respond quickly with the correct information to any PAP request for disclosure, to prevent their company incurring costs penalties at court, or in extreme cases, allowing the claimant to seek a default judgment and be awarded full damages, costs and interest.

If anybody needs access to the Personal Injury PAP (in particular the questionnaire), it is available on the Lord Chancellor's website.

Please contact me if you need any further assistance.

Regards.

David
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#5 Posted : 12 June 2004 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
Claims culture = ordinary people using their civil rights to obtain compensation for various problems and/or injuries.
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#6 Posted : 12 June 2004 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi
There were 2 excellent articles in the SHP when the civil procedure code and the pre-action protocols came into effect--sorry, do not have the month/year of publication at hand.
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#7 Posted : 12 June 2004 18:23:00(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 12 June 2004 19:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Gould
Thanks for the replys

John yes exaxtly

My poor lazy English rather than a dogmatic remark. My appollogies.

Jason
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#9 Posted : 14 June 2004 16:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geof
Claims culture = ordinary people abusing their civil rights to obtain compensation for various problems and/or injuries.
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#10 Posted : 14 June 2004 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
Claims culture = a myth blown out of all proportion by bad employers and their confederates in the media to discourage legitimate claims by people who have been unnecessarily injured.
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#11 Posted : 14 June 2004 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi1
There is a Better Regulation Task Force’s report "Better Routes to Redress".

This report dispels the myth of the compensation culture.

The report explores why some believe there is a “compensation culture” and the damage that this perception could do to the prosperity and well-being of the UK if it is not tackled.

It also considers how people with genuine grievances can have better access to redress, mediation and rehabilitation, and makes recommendations about how these processes can be improved.


The report can be accessed at:-
http://www.brtf.gov.uk/t...rts/8874betterroutes.pdf


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#12 Posted : 15 June 2004 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gareth Bryan
Jason,

You have had some good advice off the Forum, but the best place to start asking is with your own insurers. They will take you through what is needed and the time scales involved.
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#13 Posted : 15 June 2004 20:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
At the end of the day (and I *DO* have experience of this) the insurers will look at the claim, look at your explanation, have a law professional look at both sides and then *THEY* will decide what way to go.
If your safety procedures are at fault then they'll pay-up.
So, if you write in your safety policy "employees are not to walk on wet floors because of the possibility of slips" and then do nothing about said wet floors....they'll probably pay-up.
Oh, and they can still use civil law to recover their liability from YOU, the employer.
Read your insurance policy.

Claims culture = person using their LEGITIMATE rights to recover costs and damages for injury, pain and loss of earnings.
The VAST majority of who are JUSTIFIED.
The days are OVER where an employer could damage an employees health for a profit motive.
If you don't LIKE this, tough.
Vote tory, they want the workhouse back.
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#14 Posted : 15 June 2004 20:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geof
Claims culture = person abusing their rights to recover costs and damages for injury, pain and loss of earnings.
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#15 Posted : 16 June 2004 00:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
What claims culture?
The Litigation Letter 01/03/2004

According to a report by the market analyst Datamonitor, the total of personal injury claims made in the UK in the financial year 2002 - 2003 rose by only 2.6%.

Although public liability claims against bodies such as local authorities rose by almost 9%, medical negligence claims, contrary to popular perception, were down by a massive 8.4%.

Employers' liability claims increased by 7.5%, while motor insurance claims actually fell by 0.5%.

The above (article/piece) originally appeared in the February 2004 issue of The Litigation Letter and has been reproduced with the permission of the publishers, Informa Law, 30-32 Mortimer Street, London, W1W 7RE, UK. www.informalaw.com.
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#16 Posted : 16 June 2004 07:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Gould
I am seriously regretting my error of wording now.

This is not about people with claims whether trivial or serious. It is about the claim companies gaining extra expences on top of damages for themselves not the client. rumour has it that if a company prepares itself even before contacting insures they can better handle this.

Anyway thanks for all contributions as I have some leads now and will just have to see if there is any truth to this or not.

Jason
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#17 Posted : 16 June 2004 08:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear Jason,

Sorry for the delay in answering. Within the civil procedure rules a judge has the right to award costs against a party that causes unnecessary costs or delays, even where they win the claim. Rule 44.3 deals with general rules about costs.

All claims must follow the timetables and injury / illness claims must follow the pre-claims procedure where they are being dealt with through the small and fast track procedures. However where they are being dealt with through the multi track procedure the parties do not have to follow the pre claims protocols, but must have regard to them and follow the general principles.

In all cases the court will have regard to the overriding objective of enabling the court to deal with cases justly. This includes, so far as is practicable –

- ensuring that the parties are on an equal footing;
- saving expense;
- dealing with the case in ways which are proportionate –
- to the amount of money involved;
- to the importance of the case;
- to the complexity of the issues; and
- to the financial position of each party;

ensuring that it is dealt with expeditiously and fairly; and
allotting to it an appropriate share of the court’s resources, while taking into account the need to allot resources to other cases.

In general you should always follow the pre action protocol for injuries or diseases or illnesses as applicable. In practice the best method is to have a file for each incident likely to result in a claim. In this file you should put all evidence that you need to meet the pre-claims protocol and answer any supplementary questions. Include the facts and the facts alone. Ensure that there are photographs, statements, training documents, risk assessments etc relating to the incident and the actions taken after it. Each file should have an index and check sheet so that you can audit all files quickly and easily. This makes it easier to pay or defend claims quickly and easily and thereby reduces costs and makes sure that claimants with a right to compensation get their compensation quickly.

Many regards Adrian Watson




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