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#1 Posted : 02 July 2004 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smurfer Can anyone help me with identifying the likely gases/vapours (NO2?) emitted from a catastrophic release of conc nitric acid, and how I might be able to calculate the amount of gases/vapours released? Thanks Andy
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#2 Posted : 02 July 2004 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt Could you define catastrophic? 1 Winchester A box of Winchesters A tonne A tanker load? Jane
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#3 Posted : 02 July 2004 12:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Or even a chemical plant full. Seriously this is not an easy one to answer as far as gas volumes are concerned. It depends on the initial concentration of the acid, temperatures,the amount spilled, humidity and a host of other variables - including the materials with which it then contacts. Unless you are a chemist I would not even attempt this calculation The gases are more straightforward as there is only Nitrogen Dioxide, more strictly Dinitrogen Tetroxide according to many authorities, that will be of real concern - The other possible gases are also acidic but less strongly so. Bob
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#4 Posted : 02 July 2004 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By CHRISTOPHER HAYWARD Concentrated nitric acid fumes and so the vapours you want to worry about are of nitirc acid. They are corrosive to your mucous membranes so in the worst case scenario lung collapse and death are possible. Any other gases generated will, as Robert said, depend on what it comes into contact with, hydrogen in the case of metals. Without knowing all the details, of which there are few, I struggle to see what the quantities of decompostion or reaction products have to do with it.
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#5 Posted : 02 July 2004 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt I agree with you there, Bob, but it is worth asking the question of how much. Ultimately you may have to make a decision between dealing with a spill yourself and shutting the door and calling the Fire Brigade. I found this emergency plan on the internet: http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/EHSRM/EMERGENCY/lepc.html It's a good idea to have thought this one out before the day you spill it. It is also a good idea to have thought through all the things you can do to prevent the catastrophic release. Nitrogen dioxide is a very dangerous gas. It has an exposure limit of only 2 ppm (8 hour) and it has a track record of killing people if they are over-dosed. At the time they do not necessarily know that they are being seriously affected. Nitric acid is a very strong oxidising agent, which in practice means that if spilled on the wrong kind of material things can get extremely exciting. This is over and above its behaviour as an acid. See http://www.dailybruin.uc...97/05.28/news.spill.html Jane
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#6 Posted : 02 July 2004 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Jane I remember it well we had a plant producing it in order to manufacture Ammonium Nitrate as an intermediate product. There is always a proportion of Nitrous Acid present as a contaminant, hence we also produced Ammonium Nitrite in the process - Hence the temp was kept below -5 celsius. If there was a leak then we could easily produce a substantial fog for many hundreds of metres. The saving grace is that the threshold of smell is well below the Limit values and the colour is visible also at low concentration. I hope that Smurfer is not dealing with this level as I rather think COMAH may well be coming into effect. Bob
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