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#1 Posted : 13 September 2004 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Lowe Is it legal for someone with no previous experience of mobile cranes/rigging or any other type of mechanical lifting be allowed to plan, make out risk assessments/method statements and supervise any lifting with a mobile crane on a live chemical plant when all they have is BS7121 Part 1 (general) without Part 3. Mike.
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#2 Posted : 13 September 2004 15:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart I think you already know the answer to that Michael.
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#3 Posted : 13 September 2004 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald ''What do you mean when you say all they have is...'' Do you mean he/she has it in a drawer? Not that my answer would be any different to the one above!! Peter
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#4 Posted : 13 September 2004 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Giles Davis Mike, The lift must be planned, risk assessed and a full method statement produced by an 'Appointed Person' which is a requirement of BS7121. He may then delegate his duties to a competent person e.g. slinger, signaller to supervise the lift but cannot delegate his responsibilities. On a chemical site!! - throw the contractors off site. Is it a 'Contract Lift' or hire of crane and driver only? The driver, if from a reputable crane hire company, should be refusing to carry out the work I would have thought. regards Giles (Appointed Person) Besides BS7121 Part 1 is for General cranes. At least if he was working from BS7121 Part 3 he'd be playing the correct sport let alone in the correct ball park.
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#5 Posted : 14 September 2004 07:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie No it is not legal BS 7121 is a British Standard Code of Practice. LOLER Regulation 8 Organisation of Lifting Operations is what must be complied with, and this lift would not comply. After working for some of the biggest Crane Hire companies how did this happen in a Petro Chemical establishment? I have worked in most of them and no lift could ever have got this far without everyones training certificates being checked and in most cases background checks to establish competence.
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#6 Posted : 15 September 2004 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Lowe Thanks for your responses, I`ve been involved in Heavy Lifting for 35 years and hold A.P. Parts 1&3: “Giles” all lifts were Crane & driver hire it was the site owner who insisted Part 1 was sufficient I was the contractor who questioned them and never received a response “Alex” I totally agree with your answer as with “Giles”. To “Danny” did you know the answer? And “Peter” did I touch a nerve? The legislation actually states that lifts taking place on a chemical site should be classed as “Complex Lifts”. My philosophy is “If your Gun is designed to shoot Rabbits don`t attempt to shoot Elephants with it, Thanks again. Mike.
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