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#1 Posted : 13 September 2004 15:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Gildernew
Hello everyone,

I am in the process of developing a risk assessment training session for security gruards,
who would have to patrol a hosptial site at night,

I am thinking some form of dynamic risk assessment would be most practicable instead of the traditional format,

Has anyone got any experience of doing something similar and if so how did it work out?

Thanks
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#2 Posted : 13 September 2004 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Timothy Capner
Dear Paul
I conducted Fire Risk Assessments with small groups of staff (5-10), that included part traditional and part dynamic.

The traditional part conveyed the legislative requirements and the sic; 'boring bits'. The dynamic elements of the training were site specific and were by far the best received.

I rec'd positive feed-back from the participants as we 'audited' the premises, it made the whole training process more real for them.

Best of luck Paul
Tim C
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#3 Posted : 14 September 2004 17:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sarah O'Brien
Sorry to be a thicky what is a Dynamic Risk Assessment - I thought they all had to be done in the set way (i.e 5 steps to risk assessment)
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#4 Posted : 14 September 2004 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods
Sarah,

Dynamic risk assessments are the ones done by dynamic "consultants called Steve or Dave who think outside the box, touch base a lot, drive 5 series BMW's and sound their horns in frustratiuon at old ladies crossing the road.

They carry out the assessments or training wearing shades and saying phrases such as bring me solutions not problems, which is what makes them dynamic.

Bob
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#5 Posted : 14 September 2004 22:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Apps
Bob

you are a very funny man!

Richard
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#6 Posted : 14 September 2004 22:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack
The Home Office issued advice on this for fire services some 6 years ago. Although drawn up for the fire service it was applicable to other emergency services and other activities in which traditional control over the workplace and workplace equipment is lacking.

The idea was to manage the risk in the rapidly changing circumstances of an operational incident.

Probably still available from Stationery Office.

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#7 Posted : 15 September 2004 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Will
Hi Paul,

It sounds very much from your messege on Monday that you are in the process of training your Security Officers to do the risk assessments themselves.
If i have picked you up correctly, WHY ?, and can you or/and anyone else advice me, is this normal working practice.

Many Thanks Will.
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#8 Posted : 15 September 2004 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Jack seems to have come closest to answering this. Dynamic risk assessment is about the individual employee making assessed decisions in the context of an overall risk assessment. In the construction context we could envisage a scenario where the task is formally assessed to be done on an alloy tower but there the operative still needs to make decisions concerning the specific effects on the environment and other operatives at that precise moment. It is not about taking trainees around the building during training, although this is clearly desirable to make the training stick

The real task is to find a simple process which guides them through this. I have formulated, based on a BP model a simple 5 steps
STOP - step back (mentally) and observe
THINK through the task
IDENTIFY the specific hazards
CONTROL the hazards and COMMUNICATE what you can't control
COMPLETE task

It is often used by peripatetic tradespersons who work in widely varying situations where formalised specific assessments are not reasonably practicable.

As far as Rob's comments are concerned I rest my case

Bob
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#9 Posted : 15 September 2004 14:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Randles
Sarah,

A dynamic risk assessment is one that is carried out "on the hoof" so to speak.

Whilst standard "5 steps" risk assessments are ideal, they are not always practicable in the real world. For example, we use "dynamic" assessments (though we don't call them that) only as a supplement to more thorough assessments when workers are called out to a breakdown.

Whilst assessments have been carried out for these circumstances it is not usually possible to predict the exact circumstances of the breakdown or the working environment. The "dynamic" assessment is used purely as an additional step in identifying any risks not identified in the original assessment.

Hope this makes sense.

Dave
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#10 Posted : 15 September 2004 14:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Bower
As a rider I'd add that all dynamic assessments need to have as their basis some other form of recorded assessment.

We use them a lot but they're based on risk assessed processes and procedures and it is these that are used as the basis for the dynamic bit.

The feedback and review loop has a very real part to play in learning from experience. I have seen the phrase 'dynamic assessment' used as an excuse not to complete risk assessments in any other format.

Stuart
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#11 Posted : 15 September 2004 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Gildernew
Thanks for all your help

Rob,
i think i worked a dynamic consultant "Steve" for 1 year although he only had a 3 series BMW.



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#12 Posted : 15 September 2004 15:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods
I think we all have at one time or another.

There more to be pitied than to be laughed at.

If you read a job advert that asks for a dynamic person ring them up and ask them to define what there looking for. Explain that you wear shades even at night say great and lets do it, a lot and go paintballing on a weekend, where you cry when you loose. Ask them if you fit the bill.
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#13 Posted : 16 September 2004 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi1
The mains difference between conventional and dynamic RA's is that the latter are typically meant for changing (dynamic) scenarios you'd get in most of the emergency & police services. So, there is a basic framework, but ultimately, it is the "leader" or the individual at the site who takes decisions--the dynamic type of risk assessment assists this process so as to minimise risks.
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#14 Posted : 16 September 2004 15:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Butler
We have a similar situation to yourself,how we have done it is the usual risk assessments and training, actions on discovering fire are pretty standard ie raise the alarm, get everybody out.The patrolling security officer is taught to make an ongoing threat assessment for their own personal safety, based on the formula of "person-article-place".ie the child at 3pm with an ice cream does not offer the same risk as the 2am drunk with a bottle in A+E, is this the kind of thing you are looking at? If so please feel free to e-mail me direct,
regards,
Nick.
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