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#1 Posted : 20 September 2004 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone Dear all I have been asked the following by one of ur chefs: They have closed our training bakery and want to move the wooden storage cupboards into a training kitchen. One of the cooks is unhappy as he thinks that the area could not be cleaned properly and they could cause hygiene problems Can anyone ofer advice? many thanks Ian
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#2 Posted : 20 September 2004 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Egerton Pretty sure the food hygiene regs require food PREPARATION surfaces to be easy to clean ie. stainless steel, some types of plastic etc so food paticles/food juices etc cannot penetrate into the material and become a hygiene problem. Walls etc have to be easily cleanable too i.e. ceramic wall tiles. I guess you should get way with wooden cupboards if they are in good condition (so wood splinters don't fall into the stored food), separte from the actual food preparation areas, only used to store canned foods or food in 'robust' containers. Meat etc would be in a fridge anyway. I don't claim to be a food expert, so if some one wants to correct me, that's fine.
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#3 Posted : 20 September 2004 13:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott Your chef is right - bare untreated wood is not deemed a suitable surface. A lot will depend on the type of timber used as soft wood is more susceptible to absorbing moisture than hard woods, but generally speaking timber is NOT an "easily cleanable, impact resistant, durable surface" which is the criteria for ALL surfaces likely to come into contact with food, food equipment, utensils etc. etc. There is much argument around butchers blocks which are traditionally wood, but the timber used is maple (hard) and is used with the grain end on. This still requires significant scouring however, to maintain cleanliness as any peek into a butchers shop will reveal (note the shape of the top). There is also a school of thought that there are natural "disinfectants" in certain hardwoods, which make them ideal for food use!! Back to your point - wood can be used if it is effectively stopped, knotted and primed, undercoated and gloss painted - even then as soon as any impact breaks the surface, it should be retreated or replaced.
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#4 Posted : 20 September 2004 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone Keith/Bill Many thansk for your responses ian
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#5 Posted : 21 September 2004 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor You can get different views from different EHOs on this. It really ought to depend upon whether the wood is sealed and how the cupboard is used (eg if it only contains sealed cans or bottles there is unlikely to be any risk to the contents).
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#6 Posted : 21 September 2004 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott Ian - the actual wording of the relevant legislation is - "surfaces (including surfaces of equipment) in contact with food must be maintained in a sound condition and be easy to clean and ,where necessary, disinfect. This will require the use of smooth, washable and non toxic materials, unless the proprietor of the food business can satisfy the the food authority that other materials are appropriate". Taking Kens point, yes it is true that the contents of sealed cans, bottles etc may be safe but the external surfaces of these containers is notoriously filthy. It is these external surfaces that are in contact with the shelf, cupboard etc and can therefore cross contaminate, unless the surface is routinely and effectively cleaned - to do that you need easily cleanable surfaces. Wood is generally not considered to be easily cleanable because of its porous nature.
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#7 Posted : 21 September 2004 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor When it comes to actual contact with food, EHOs tend to insist upon stainless steel surfaces these days and often will not accept laminate work surfaces - presumably because of the risk from surface scratches and food-traps at joints. However, if you can show that your wooden cupboard does not contact food at any time and does not present a hazard you should be able to meet the legislation.
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#8 Posted : 21 September 2004 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone Thanks for all the responses The cupboards in question are not sealed and are to be used to store both tins and loose food. Folling comments on here I have advised them not to use them and find something better Once again thanks for the responses Ian
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#9 Posted : 21 September 2004 20:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mork Hi Ian 1, Food hygiene regulations would not necessarily apply to a training bakery: it depends on what happens to the food. 2, EHO's should not generally insist on stainless steel and not accept laminate work surfaces. If they do and if you want to challenge this refer to the relevant Industry Guide to Good Hygiene Practice, there is one for baking, see http://www.shop.cieh.net...Hygiene_Practice_25.html or get it for free from http://archive.food.gov...._health/pdf/complete.pdf You can also download the catering version free from http://archive.food.gov....pt_health/pdf/catsec.pdf You should also bear in mind that some premises are subject to approval under product specific regulations and that the requirement are greater than under the general food hygiene regulations. These are unlikly to apply to a college kitchen unless the food prepared there was supplied to retailers/wholesalers. My advice is give your local EHO a call and ask them for their views.
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#10 Posted : 22 September 2004 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor I agree with you, Mork, that EHOs shouldn't insist on stainless steel surfaces. I can only speak from experience of some school and other educational establishment catering kitchens (mainly in London) where they have specifically written asking for plastic to be replaced by stainless steel. As you will know, the legal requirement relates to surfaces in contact with food and for them to be maintained in a sound condition and be easy to clean and, where necessary, disinfect. The Industry Guide to Good Hygiene Practice: Catering Guide also says in their 'Guide to Compliance' that other surfaces in close proximity that could contaminate food if dirty must also comply and that surfaces which would comply include: stainless steel; ceramics; and food grade plastics. Their 'Advice on Good Practice' adds 'Joins between horizontal work surfaces could present a dirt trap. Continuous surfaces are better, or joins that are properly sealed, or abutting surfaces that can be separated for cleaning'. Presumably the EHO objection to plastic laminate surfaces has always been about dirt traps or the use of non food-grade plastics. Whilst acceptance of their requirements in this respect has been considered the better option with regard to catering kitchens, the issue has not arisen with regard to 'domestic science' type educational kitchens and food preparation areas - although the finished food products may well be consumed on occasions and so good hygiene standards are necessary under H&S and Education law. The plastics have, however, remained in those areas.
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