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Posted By Graham Clarke MIOSH, RSP, MIIRSM, MaPS
Hi Folks,
In your opinion, "Where should a banksman stand when reversing a vehicle", Did all the research yesterday and the only positive conclusion I can come up with is "In the safest possible place" Is that at the fron? Is it to the side rear, or at the back? would greatly appreciate your help as I am in heated discussions with one of the Directors. Many thanks.
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Posted By Kevin Walker
Ideally where:
1 the driver can see them
2 where they can see where the reversing vehicle is going.
personally I have always thought that the best postion was at the front of the vehicle, while being prepared to stop the vehicle move and check and then return to the front of the vehicle. The driver should only have to watch the banksman, not use his rear vision mirrors
kevin
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Posted By Robert S Woods
The banksman has no option but to stand at the rear of the vehicle. The important thing is that they are instructed to stop if the banksman disappears from view.
Of course there would have to be an assessment of the risks and a safe system of work, which would specify the use of a trained banksman.
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Posted By James S
The HSE publication INDG 148 Reversing Vehicles provides notes on good practice which may help you find a solution.
James
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Posted By Steve Langston
As stated above the banksman must remain in clear view of the driver. This needs to be in a position where the banksperson is safe but able to view the areas that are "blind" to the driver.
If the banksperson can see the driver in the rear view mirror then the driver can see the banksperson. If the banksperson gets into a position where they cannot be seen then the driver must stop the vehicle immedietely.
A position to the side of the rear of the vehicle allows the banksperson to not only identify hazards from behind but also pedestrians /vehicles that approach from either side.
I cannot see much point of standing at the front as it does not provide protection to the rear of the vehicle. Even with reversing camaras there are normally blind spots.
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
Is there such a thing as a banksman training course? Not the slinger banksman for cranes but for traffic management?
Peter
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Posted By Danny Swygart
RoSPA run a Banksman Assessor Training Course which will enable you to train your employees, if this is the route you want to go down. As mentioned above the No.1 rule (Life-saver) is that if at any time the Driver cannot see the Banksman, he must stop immediatly).
Danny.
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Posted By Duncan Rees
Many thanks for your input folks, i was the banksman involved, a real help, near miss report has been amended and suggestions made that may help prevent further incidents.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The signaller who controls the driver must be at the front. The rear of the vehicle can be controlled by secondary signallers at the rear. The role of the driver is only to look forward and steer the vehicle only in accordance with the directions of the front signaller. If you watch the army in action this is precisely how they perform the task.
Note that the term Banksman is now strictly speaking not recognised, the BS and other areas formally use the term signaller which is after all more specifc to the actual role.
Problem is that it seems such an easy task that anybody can do it.
Bob
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
its maybe easier to say where a banksperson SHOULDN'T be positioned , ie between the rear of the reversing vehicle and an open ditch. Alternatrively a banksperson should never position himself on the brow of any incline unto which the machine/driver will be blind to him on arrival at the summit.
As for forklifts, a banksperson jacket was made for our banksperson by our forkilft operator, This was a hi viz waist coat with an imbeded series of small bulbs. These were easy to see in the reversing camera of the machine and hence avoided collision. HSE approved also.
Despite only receiving minimum wage , generally a banksperson should be fairly intelligent and have above average eyesight. An eyestest is given as standard on a bi-weekly basis.
katie
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Posted By Danny Swygart
We don't need an eyetest to see through you Katie!
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Posted By RP
The banks person must stand where they can see the operation and keep the area clear of others, when reversing a vehicle if the banksperson can see the rear view mirrors then the driver can see them. This I tell my partner when reversing the caravan. Also refer to HSE guidance on vehicle control in depots
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