Posted By TONY I was looking for some safety clipart recently and thought I would look on EBay. I was shocked to see 115 items some of which were company policy and procedures for £25. I do not have a problem with some looking for information but selling manual handling etc presentations for £6 is an insult to our profession. IOSH would most certainly ban any member undermining health & safety in this way. Can you imagine an employee suffering an injury at work and when asked what training he had it transpired it was puchased on EBay and presented by a non competent person. I think I have opened a can of worms?

Posted By Annette Crave Hi Tony, Tend to agree with Merv. What is wrong in purchasing such materials? As a H&S consultant, I would purchase such materials to save me time. Of course I would check the content, but until you have actually seen what is on sale you can't really comment. I shouldn't think IOSH would be at all interested in such actions. Why should they? Surely as committed H&S professionals you should be pleased that H&S resources are becoming more affordable to all. Isn't it better for individuals/organisations to gain a basic understanding rather than nothing at all? I seem to get frustrated when H&S professionals put themselves on a pedestal to protect their income and status. Consider whether you are more interested in making working practices safer for all or all or more interested in self gain! After all, by purchasing such materials could save lives in organisations which otherwise would have not taken/afforded H&S consultancy! Also what an excellent resource for NEBOSH revision! Annette

Posted By Rachael Moschke Theres 1000’s of resources available on www.shepro.org... I’ll hold my hand up to reworking (plagiarising, if you like) other peoples work, of course ensuring the content is correct. What is wrong in paying to access such a webite to gain such resources, it saves me a great ammount of my time. I suppose there is those who can sit with a blank canvas and produce realms of documentation and those who need a little inspiration to get started. Yes, I use it all the time for templates in my consultancy/training role Rachael

Posted By Merv Newman I'm glad to see that we are all in general agreement. There are a lot of resources out there - free, reasonable or me. Take advantage of whatever you need and can afford. Yes of course I rework procedures and training but that is because I have my way of doing things. The trick is in the "rework" to adapt them to the new company or industry. Which you can only do after you get to know the people and their internal culture. Actually, I can't think of the last time I wrote or sold a "procedure". I usually give them away as part of the service. As I give out web site adresses where they can be found. I do review existing procedures and try to get them revised up to my standards. As an example, I am trying to get one site to upgrade it's lock-out procedure - I want them to use a real padlock instead of hooking up a scruffy card saying "Do not switch on". In the interests of "efficiency" they are resisting. Merv (trust me) Newman

Posted By Laurie Merv I'm afraid I find your attitude typical of the overpaid consultant. You actually expect a company to go to the expense of buying a padlock to stop somebody being killed. Whatever next! Laurie

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Posted By Merv Newman Eric, I have asked this question before, without much satisfaction. I remember that I once posted a complete article as a new thread on this chat forum. Can't remember what it was about though.