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#1 Posted : 20 October 2004 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cheryl Perry I work on a chemical site and we have a rule about not running on site unless an emergency is declared. This is to reduce the risk of accidents.I do not wish to discuss the merits of this ruling but I am looking for real examples of accidents that have happened due to people running. This is so that I can reinforce this ruling with our own staff as some have become casual in conforming to it. We have only had 1 accident due to running and I would like to quote more instances so that the message goes home.
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#2 Posted : 20 October 2004 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart I work on a heavy industrial site and the most serious accident we have had in 10 years was a broken leg suffered by one of the ladies in the office. She was running up the stairs with a tray of cream cakes!
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#3 Posted : 20 October 2004 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Bennett I seem to remember in the dim and distant past a health and safety training video which featured a young lady running who slipped and fell down some stairs. I used to use this video on H&S Induction training and it was quite effective. From memory I think the video was called "No Way Back" (although I can't be sure on that) and featured Cherie Lunghi as the "Factory Inspector". None of my HSE visitations have been quite so attractive!
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#4 Posted : 20 October 2004 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart This lady was no Cherie Lunghi as her diet consisted mainly of the cream cakes she was carrying!
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#5 Posted : 20 October 2004 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By fats van den raad I remeber an accident from a previous job where a new mezzanine floor was built to house some new equipment. Something went wrong during construction and the stairs to this floor (two sets of stairs with a landing inbetween) was not right, resulting in a support beam causing a serious head bang hazard to anyone going up the stairs. The decision was made to commission the new plant and rectify the problem at a later date. During commissioning, operators had no production pressure on them and as a result everyone walked up the stairs, saw the warning signs that was posted and not one accident was reported. When production started, it was a different story. Producion pressures (percieved or not) caused operators to run up the stairs. On the first day of production an operator (who was involved during commissioning) ran up the stairs, straight into the beam and knocked himself out. He suffered a sprained neck, skull fracture and concussion (and he was wearing a hard hat!!) Had he walked, the accident may still have happened, but at the worst he would have suffered from a slight head ache. As it was, the running caused him to suffer far more serious injuries.
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#6 Posted : 20 October 2004 13:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Hi Cheryl, See my posting on the Most Embarrassing Moments thread. I was rushing down the stairs, slipped, fell on my arse and literally slid down the stairs - bump, bump, bump. This was on the way to a health and safety conference. I put my forearm out rather than my hand (otherwise I might have broken my wrist), and ended up with the whole inner right forearm bruised, with 2 particularly huge bruises from where my arm hit the nosings of 2 steps. I actually have a photo that I took to show my husband what had happened via our camera phones, as he was working away at the time and wondered about the severity of my injuries. If you really, really want the photo I'll send it to you... Regards, Karen
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#7 Posted : 20 October 2004 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Craven Cheryl Perhaps you could find a link to the mass of information the HSE has on slips/trips/falls, which continues to be one of the main causes of accidents? I can't quote any specific cases as Fats has done, but I have lost count of the number of managers who have reported that the injured person slipped/tripped/fell because they were "going too fast and weren't looking where they were going"!! Mike
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#8 Posted : 20 October 2004 18:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I used to work for Dupont which for as long as I have known it has the formal, written rule "Running is strictly forbidden on site unless it is a matter of life or death" I have also worked with motorway patrol and maintenance people. Again, their safety manual says "You will not run" - Explanation given : If you have to run, that means you don't have much time, which probably means there is a 40 ton truck on it's way. What happens if you slip ? I worked with them for weeks and never saw one even breaking into a trot. Nor into a sweat if it comes to that.
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#9 Posted : 20 October 2004 19:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie I used to work with explosives. We used to say only run in the case of fire or imminent tea break. Seriously, if we saw someone running we knew it was an emergency. I would suggest that it would be same in a chemical complex. Laurie
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#10 Posted : 20 October 2004 20:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Laurie, thanks for the "imminent tea break". I wish I'd said that - and I will Merv
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#11 Posted : 21 October 2004 08:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cheryl Perry Dear all, Many thanks for your comments on this topic, it would appear that the "No Running" rule is established in various industries (and rightly so in my opinion. The information you have sent me will back up my case nicely. Best regards Cheryl
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#12 Posted : 22 October 2004 20:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Actual accident resulting in claim against company: 1) During a shift a tool used to 'hook' bogied running on rails and transfer them off a transfer trolley broke and needed to be fixed - this was a known risk to the management - the operative having reported it and requested the tool be fixed (welded) 2) Another tool was supplied that could do the task, though this was not designed for the task and had known risks - it could become trapped in the rails and chain drive and bind the system up causing expensive damage - if not removed immediately following the task 3) During the following shift the replacement tool was being used, it was not removed immediately following the task, the operator was away from the work station and the chain drive started to bind up (the tool,was now caught in the transfer trolley and the chain drive) which was likely to burn out the drive motor and cause expensive losses in production and replacement 4) A maintenance fitter was nearby, he heard the noise made by the tool binding up, recognised the noise, and ran to try and free the tool before expensive damage was done 5) As the maintenance fitter approached the transfer trolley - he fell (slipped as he ran onto the transfer trolley) and fell into a steel capstan on the transfer trolley deck injuring his knee 6) The binding up caused serious delay in production and costs for replacements ect 7) The fall of the maintenance fitter resulted in a RIDDOR reportable accident, loss of highly skilled staff from the workplace and resulted in a claim against the company which was successful 8) The accident investigation found the following: a) There was a proceedure for using the correct tool on the transfer trolley that specifically stated that the other (replacement) tool employed in the task WAS NOT to be used for this purpose b) There were no risk assessments for an alternative to using the correct tool although it was common practice to use the alternative tool - even though the plant operating procedures prohibited its use for obvious reasons (as above) c) The transfer trolley operator was a competent person, trained and knew what he was doing, but 'forgot' about the tool whilst carrying out another duty (it was a night shift and the accident occurred in the early hours of the morning!) d) There was no explaination for the fitter falling (nothing to trip over), except that he had run fast and turned a sharp corner (around a concrete pillar) to the transfer trolley when he fell into the capstan e) The fitter knew the layout and configuration of the area well and that running could have caused a fall - but felt he was acting in the best interests of the company in trying to prevent the problem f) The root cause of the accident was a failure to maintain the proper tool - by having a small crack (reported to management some two days earlier) welded up, which resulted in the tools failure. repair costs would have been about £50.00 g) An additional tool (spare) would have cost approximately £300.00 to manufacture on site in the workshop h) The actuall cost of the accident is estimated at some £5000.00 (investigation, management/professionals time, expenses etc) i) The costs of the accident in respect of the claim are estimated to be in excess of £13000.00 (+ unknown costs) j) The costs of the damage done to plant and loss of production and repair/down time etc are estimated at £20000.00) Costs for the accident are estimated at £38,000.00 Costs for having an additional tool and repairing the old one are estimated at £350.00 Costs of having assessed the procedure and producing written assessments etc are etsimated at £60.00 The total costs represent: £410.00 to have the task managed properly with the correct tools £38,000.00 for having failed to manage the works properly and provide an additional tool - which lead to the accident The costs of doing the job right would have been just over 1% of the cost of the accident!
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#13 Posted : 25 October 2004 08:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart Superb example Stuart. Excellent response!
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#14 Posted : 25 October 2004 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cheryl Perry Thank you Stuart This is a very good example and one that I can use to good effect in getting through the fact that the no running rule is very important in reducing the risk of accidents Best regards Cheryl
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