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#1 Posted : 28 October 2004 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bruce
Can anyone help please. I'm hoping to establish where the CDM regs apply in full to Ireland (not N. Ireland. If not what are the differences and are there similar regulations that apply there?

Many Thanks.
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#2 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
I have heard that there is a difference in the requirement for staff facilities,and someone mentioned that scaffolding is not compulsory in ireland,i'm not into construction but this sounds dodgy to me.Maybe they use a lot of MEWP's. I think the irish are a law unto themselves.
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#3 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By James K
Not really sure what the CDM regs contain but to answer your question on scaffolding...All scaffoldnig must be erected, checked every 7 days and dismantled by a competent and trained person. There are varoius levels of competenency depending on the height that the scaffold needs to go. A scaffolder on a lower level may not erect scaffolding over a certain height.
"A law onto themselves" ?????????

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#4 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
James - I was going to let it lie, but you picked it up.

Katie,

Suggest you take time to read "How to Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.

It won't tell you anything about CDM or even Ireland but it may help you avoid some more obvious gaffes.
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#5 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liam Nolan
Hi,

I think you are talking about Construction?
(I work in Ireland but CDM is used in the UK I think).
Are you working for a UK company doing construction here in Ireland?
Anyway, we have the Construction Regulations 2001 & 2003 ('03 ones are an amendment).
You have to take all the main legislation with the construction regulations (the '89 act, the '93 General applications and the Construction regs into consideration.
The Con Regs will lay out the PSCS duties, the clients responsibilities, the employees duties etc. It covers the min requirements for differant types of work involved on a construction site.

It is much too detailed for an explination here - email me if you want to know where you can download the the legislation.

Watch out though - there are lots of differant bits of legislation that is not inclueded in the above, there is a Confinded Space Regulation, Explosive Atmosphere regs etc.

Also there is a New Bill going through Government to replace the '89 act, and we expect this in late '04 - early '05. Also there is a new Construction Reg being proposed that will affect the Design stage of a project significantly (as well as other areas).

PS you aren't looking for a Safety Officer in the South West of Ireland are you by any chance?

Liam Nolan
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#6 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bruce
Hi thanks for the quick responses.

Basically I was trying to establish whether a planning supervisor, construction phase plan and health and safety file are a necessity of work in Ireland. I need the information for a friends company who carry out shopfitting and are looking to quote for some work.

Anyone got any further advice?
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#7 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston
Katie

"law unto themselves"?

Umm - that would be because it's a different country with its own parliament I suppose. Jolly presumptuous of them not to just go along with UK law really don't you think?

(tongue out of cheek now)

Heather

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#8 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
I didnt mean to offend any of our gaellic collegues, i just meant that the laws are different and probably not as thorough as here.
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#9 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston
Blimey Katie - foot - mouth, stop now!

We're all in the EC you know - Regs are made in response to EC Directives.

For the OP you want these:

The Safety, Health and Welfare at Work (Construction) Regulations, 1995 give legal
effect to EC Council Directive 92/57/EEC. These Guidelines apply to Regulations 1 to
13 which are concerned with the duties on clients, designers, project supervisors and
the general duties on contractors which are aimed at protecting workers from accidents
and ill health in the construction industry.

and you will find the text at:

http://www.bailii.org/ie...m_reg/shawawr1995568.txt

The HSA (Health & Safety Authority) has produced Guidance, but I think it may be a paid-for publication (I have it on a subscription service)

Oh and for the OP - I know nothing about Irish Law - I found all this in five minutes on Google.

Hope it helps

Heather
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#10 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ciaran McAleenan
David

The construction legislation is available from the HSA website;

http://www.hsa.ie/files/...0603023409si481_2001.pdf

(For Katies information Irish construction safety legislation is more closely aligned to EC directive. Regarding your scaffolding concerns you should read Part 13 - Working at Heights)

Ciaran

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#11 Posted : 28 October 2004 16:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston
Sorry guys - that'll teach me to read the rest of the postings :) (especially Liam's)

The 95 regs have of course been replaced - you now need the 2001 Regs (and its amendments):

"This document provides guidance upon the new requirements of the Safety, Health and Welfare at
Work (Construction) Regulations 2001, SI No. 481 of 2001 which amend and consolidate the Health
& Safety at Work (Construction) Regulations 1995 which are hereby revoked. The Regulations give
legal effect to EC Council Directive 92/57/EEC. The amendments apply mainly to Part I, Part II and
Part III of the Regulations which deal with the management of safety, health and welfare on
construction projects."

There are quite a few additional requirements and it would be worth seeking out a copy of the Regs (should be online) and the HSA Guidance which is quite comprehensive if the OP's friend's firm is serious about undertaking work in Ireland.

Heather
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#12 Posted : 28 October 2004 17:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson
I'm somewhat suprised at reading an assumption that other countries health and safety laws must automatically be worse than we have in the UK. I've worked in safety in a few places including here, Ireland, America, France, Italy, Poland, and Germany and all had aspects of their safety regulation which we would benefit from adopting.

If you would like I'll let you have my Grandad's address - you'll like him. Recent quotes have included "all immigrants should be put on a ship, taken out to the North Sea and sunk" and "everyone was happier under British rule".
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#13 Posted : 28 October 2004 21:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Adam,

In real life that would make you Prince Charles then?
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#14 Posted : 29 October 2004 08:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
That should read Prince William...

...Don't you just hate it when you get the punchline wrong!
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#15 Posted : 29 October 2004 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson
:) Technically William but go for Charlie, I've got the ears.
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#16 Posted : 29 October 2004 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Niamh P. Joyce
David
The CDM rgulations do not apply in Ireland as we have our own construction regulations. In reference to your query re: planning supervisor, construction phase plan and health and safety file etc.. being required, yes they are similiar type requirements documented in the construction regulations. If you need further information, contact me direct by email npjoyce@eircom.net, regards, Niamh.
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#17 Posted : 08 November 2004 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By neil poyznts-powell
David,

The UK's CDM Regulations were brought out to impliment the 'Design and Management' content of EU Directive 89\391\EEC, known as the framework directive. The directive iself aplies to all EU member states and Eire has a similar mechanism to CDM to ensure implimenation of the directive.

I will go through my records and will try to dig out the Irish Regulations.

Regards,

Neil
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