Posted By Jeff Is heaving industry Manual Handling?

Posted By Chris Cookson You might be able to get an exception if you speak to Gordon Jenkins on 01485-577577 and supply him with the following: Letter/CV including experiance on construction sites Proffesional memberships etc. I did this and it got me the exemption for the Health and Safety Managers Card, also the contracts manager card. It's worth the chance? I agree if you can prove your experiance why do you have to do another health and safety test. Regards, Christopher Cookson Dip.RSA, MIIRSM, MIOSH, MIVA, FRSH, MIVA, MInstLM, MaPS, LIAV

Posted By Dave Wilson Jeff you must remember what heavy industry is beore the Tory years destroyed it all. I remember sitting on clydeside watching the QEII being launched.

Posted By Jeff Dave They say a joke isn't very good when it has to be explained! However, more seriously, I'm told banksmen (persons?)/signallers have to be specially trained. CSCS/CITB will not accept that a crane driver is suitably qualified to be a signaller and they have to undertake specific training for the signaller endorsement. Try explaining that to the average site manager! If it makes you feel any better I have so far refused to take the H&S test on the grounds that it is an insult to my intelligence (diploma, degree, construction certificate and RSP). I have not yet been refused entry to a site and that includes T5. I also consider the level of questions to be an insult to most of the operatives on building sites, but that is another topic. Jeff

Posted By Jeff Only if the construction certificate is less than two years old.

Posted By Jeff You've just missed the whole point of the thread!

Posted By Robert K Lewis I know a pub where £50 makes you a corgi card and it is hacked onto the database with a scanned signature just like the real thing. £30 ensures a cscs fully on the database and 3 updates if necessary. I have serious issues with this card as it is NOT a proof of competence, merely one of training in spite of the frills added on. Bob

Posted By Ciaran McAleenan Dear all I need to correct Liam's assertion and one that has become a common misperception over in NI. The NI Government/ Public Sector are not asking for CSR cards they are seeking to assure competence in the construction industry. The correct position in Northern Ireland is that Government Construction clients are concerned with engaging contractors who have competent workers and competent operational management systems. They do not endorse one particular training scheme/ product or card as the way to demonstrate that competence. It is their view that as controller of the construction site they will expect the contractor to determine how he ensures the competence of those who work directly for him and others who operate within his supply chain. For many areas of construction CSCS cards (or CSR as they are known in NI) may not meet the Government’s requirements. Therefore from December 2004 what is required of contractors seeking to work on NI Government or Public Sector construction projects is that their training is linked to company specific risk assessments and that it is to be designed specifically to meet the needs of the work to be undertaken. In addition Roads Service (the NI Road/ Highway Authority) require their contractors to present a competence/ skills development plan to show how skills are being developed and maintained across the organisation. Roads Service promoted this to the industry at an open seminar in June 2004. Happy to discuss this further with you if necessary. Regards and best wishes Ciaran