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Posted By medianottingham
We have four metal-framed podiums with steel legs in our nightclub. Last week someone fell off one and injured themselves. This got us thinking weather we are in breach of any legislation saying that ‘there should be a barrier above a certain height’. They are about 1ft high off the floor. I’ve looked in various places but can’t find anything relating to this. Am I missing something or are we ok? Any advice would be much appreciated!
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Posted By Neil Tonge
There is legislation about leading edges and heights and so on but it doesn't apply to 1 foot high dancing podiums.
Obviously your risk assessment had not previously identified a risk of someone falling from the podium and injuring themselves.
This has now happened and is it therefore foreseeable that it will happen again. So you should take action to prevent this by having some a barrier fabricated and installed (of an appropriate height and possibly with an intermediate guard in the middle - i think the ones for scaffolding are 910mm and 470mm so you use these as minimums) or simply removing the podiums all together.
Hope this helps - I took my groom to your club when i was his best man!
Neil
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Posted By andy Harris
Obviously this needs further investigation please send tickets
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Posted By Karen Todd
Perhaps you install a pole in the middle of the podium for the dancer to hold onto?
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Karen
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Posted By Chris Pope
The idea of a handrail for a dancer may seem strange but I have seen one in a club I inspected, but I have no idea of how much the quality of the dancer's gyrations are restricted - guess you need a decent size podium + a way of stopping patrons from storing their drinks on it.
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
If such barrier were to be erected they would need to be of suitable strength, as I see persons leaning against them, hanging over then to hold conversation (mouth to ear) etc.
Simple fabricating and screwing to the decking of the podium may be insufficient. The podiums may need re-design to incorporate the barriers into the structure of the podiums (welding into the legs/uprights etc).
Stuart
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Posted By Laurie
On a totally irrelevant note, is the plural of podiums "podia"?
No, I'm not nit picking, I genuinely want to know!
Laurie
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Posted By Andy Petrie
Having fallen off podiums in the past, i can safely say it was because I was blind drunk (most peoeple have to be to get up there in the first place). You could easily say it was misadventure.
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Posted By Jim Walker
Andy,
Don't agree.
The RA should identify that the punters are liable to be drunk. Therefore are entitled to an extra duty of care.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I don't go to the theatre too often, but fear my enjoyment of the performance might be spoiled by toe boards and guard rails at the edge of the stage?
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Posted By John Webster
Laurie, and any other fellow saddos with nothing better to do at lunchtime - since you did say you really wanted to know.
Most Latin derived words ending in "um" take "a" in the plural - we are all quite comfortable with "data" and "bacteria" for example. Of course, language is ever evolving, and, particularly with the decline in teaching of Latin in schools, there is a tendency to use the otherwise standard "s" plural ending (eg, forums rather than fora). Several dictionaries list both podia and podiums. I think this is probably one of the words now in transition between its original and its 21st centuary English forms.
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Posted By medianottingham
Thanks everyone… Would you believe we actually considered installing the ‘Safety pole’ before! We’ve bought four brand new podiums- they aren’t so high, a lot sturdier and have the edges marked with luminous tape. Hopefully, this should minimise the risk.
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
I can think of two plurals that end in e.
Scutum (shield) becomes scute and spetum (spear) becomes spete.
I have resented my History teacher for the last 19 years because he corrected me on these points of my essay and only gave me 9/10!
I didn't do Latin (the school dropped it as a compulsory subject the year before I arrived).
No one else in the class found that out, no one I tell you (I checked), yet not a 'well done' oh no!
Instead I have to write out spelling mistakes 20 times to ensure I do not repeat the error!
The phrase I'm looking for rhymes with clucking bell!
There, got that off my chest - thanks for letting me rant.
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Posted By PaulA
I went to a night club once and was pleasantly surprised at how the management had made all of the dancers wear 'leather harnesses' and rubber gloves, both complimented with thigh leg boots!! I would have assessed the situation as not requiring this degree of PPE as there was no working at height or COSHH to worry about... Also worthy of note was that the equipment did not lead to any restriction in movement and they seemed very happy to wear it!! An inspiration to us H&S Guru's.. ;-}
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Posted By Andy Petrie
Paul,
sounds interesting! do you remember the name of this club then we could check it out, for research purposes only of course.
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Posted By Gareth Bryan
You are all behind the times on this one. It has been well researched and has an industry standard. The research indicated that people were a lot safer sitting down so the new standard of Lap Dancing was developed !
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Posted By Katie Hoyland
is this forum for serious health and safety proffessionals or not?
Come on guys since when did you hear of all this nonsense. On a recent night out with my friends we witnessed a male entourage of dancers trying in vain to dance on the small podiums on offer. At least one RIDDOR resulted. Please , helpful comments only in future. You never know, one of these poor souls could fall on you.
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Posted By Jim Walker
Katie,
The joy of this forum is we welcome any comment, sensible or not.
Important thing is an ability not confuse the two.
Personally speaking, your postings have been keeping me amused for the past few weeks, thanks.
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Posted By Kate Graham
I'm sorry to disappoint Jonathan but I have studied Latin (to A-level) and am reasonably well read in Latin but I have never encountered a Latin word with a plural in -e. I've looked up scutum in my dictionary and Kennedy's Primer (the grammar Bible) just to check and it is a normal Latin word with normal plural scuta. The other word I've never heard of and isn't in my dictionary. So I think teacher was right!
Kate
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Posted By peter gotch
The Spetum
Also referred to as the corseca, corsèsque, korseke, runka, rawcon, ranseur, and chauve souris (each of these weapons were very minor variations on the spetum design)
What you find on Google !
Regards, Peter
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Posted By Laurie
Never mind Google, it's the things you find on this forum that never cease to amaze me!
All I wanted to know was whether podium is like referendum, but many thanks to those who have responded
Laurie
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Posted By PaulA
Good evening Katie....
On your first point... I do not believe it is a forum for 'professionals only' ...as there are people that visit this site in order to both gain knowledge as well as impart it. I'm sure that both are welcome by the forums readers whom I am sure are both well versed in being able to distinguish between humour and a genuine question or point of view that may lead a healthy debate etc..... ??? (OK ..well most!!!!!!! ie YOU!)
I am hooked on the site and I very much enjoy gaining knowledge from my fellow forum members on current issues that allow me identify problematic areas throughout the whole spectrum of H&S.
I read with avid interest the problems people are having throughout industries and delight in the standard of answers that I could only wish to articulate!
I do give advice by email Q's referring to subjects regarding my area of expertise and seek advice on occasions from my 'H&S elders'
The beauty of this site is that is both informative and approachable and for that I commend the moderators and all the people that post threads and support it!
Before I get off of my 'soap box' though.. (it's OK I had a harness on and FA equipment)... the one thing that is important in all our lives is humour!! Some of the threads make me laugh!! The one 2 weeks ago about the Battle of Trafalgar (Nelson) was fantastic and as a serving member of the Royal Navy was well received at work..
This may be a little subjective but just try to think about what other people gain from this forum rather than what you think you would like to read within it.
Here endeth the first lesson (St Paul chapter 1 verse 1)
Regards Paul
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Posted By Jeff
Is it just me who laughs out loud when this type of comment comes up with the word 'professionals' spelt incorrectly.
'is this forum for serious health and safety proffessionals (sic) or not?'
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Jeff
Don't start that, again!
Paul
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Well Kate,
He was a History teacher not ancient languages.
Although that makes the wound more grevious.
Damn you Mr Jones!
Still what can be counted a loss to ancient history, is now a gain to health & safety.
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