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#1 Posted : 01 December 2004 12:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Taylor Can anyone point me in the direction of a company that can provide training for fall arrest/rescue harness equipment. I would like to train a selection of my own employees has instructors so they can provide future training for the rest of the users. I've been told by one company that this can no longer be done in case something goes wrong in the future and they are held liable. Seems a strange policy to me, surely this would be the same for fork lift and overhead crane instructors and probably just about any other training instructor. I tend more to think they just want to train our people themselves, any body aware of this policy? Thanks
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#2 Posted : 01 December 2004 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly Yes I wanted to do the same thing - a train the trainer as it were - went to several companies who refused to do it for the same reason. Thought it was odd at the time but then didn't think to pursue it. Paid for lots of staff to be trained instead - perhaps therein lies the answer?
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#3 Posted : 01 December 2004 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald Steven Check with Spanset with regard to their "Gotcha" rescue system as well. This system deals with the rescue of suspended persons before suspension trauma sets in. Peter
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#4 Posted : 01 December 2004 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald Forgot to mention that they will also provide training to enable you to carry out your own training. This is a very good system!!
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#5 Posted : 01 December 2004 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jon Hookings Steven, I attended a train-the-trainer course a couple of years ago that was run by Sala Group ( now known as Capital Safety ). The course was 2 days and included everything you needed to know to train others. I don't have a current contact number, but you could try their website on www.capitalsafety.com One other alternative. I have also used a company called Endeavour 12 who carry out fall arrest, confined space and other training. If you contact John Parsons on the following e-mail address, he should be able to help you out - john.parsons@endeavour12.com Regards Jon
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#6 Posted : 01 December 2004 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Taylor Thanks for the help guys. I'm sure it is all about these companies exploiting the new working at height regs. that are soon to be with us. Captive audience that need to train their people in the use of fall arrest (lots of money to be earned). Peter, do you have a contact for the Spanset company?
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#7 Posted : 01 December 2004 16:03:00(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 01 December 2004 17:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Ellis Leading Edge Supplies http://www.leadingedgesupplies.com/ email: sales@leadingedgesupplies.com Tel: 01753 568447 Fax: 01753 568446
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#9 Posted : 02 December 2004 09:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Langston If you are within the Midlands you may wish to try the following: www.totalaccess.co.uk I have absolutely no link with the company other than I attended a very professional working at heights seminar there in October. The practical training facilities are excellent as they have a number of masts, pylons, roofs and other equipment etc to try the equipment out. Great fun at break times watching nervous trainees working 50+ feet in the air!! Steve
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#10 Posted : 02 December 2004 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Crump The info below is from the HSE website. FALL ARREST SAFETY EQUIPMENT TRAINING (FASET) Association House, 99 West Street, Farnham, Surrey GU9 7EN Tel: +44 (0) 1252 739141 Fax: +44 (0) 1252 739140 Email: associationhouse.org.uk Internet: http://www.faset.org.uk Status: Trade association/training organisation Principal functions and activities: The organisation has been developed to create a standard training syllabus and an industry-wide approved identification training card scheme for those who work at height regards Paul
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#11 Posted : 03 December 2004 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Binstead i have an colleague who runs the sort of training you may be after - very practical, used by government departments etc etc. XI training, based in Lancashire, +44 01524782877, www.xitraining.co.uk. hope it helps!
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#12 Posted : 03 December 2004 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Crump I would be interested to find out if any of your employers have a policy relating to the competency of training providers for fall arrest equipment, be they external providers or in house employees. This has become an issue in my workplace as the manager who used to undertake fall arrest training was not competent to do so according to our company policy. Our policy states that the training must be provided to a recognised national standard and the trainer must poses a nationally recognised assessor qualification such as D32/A1 etc. Do any of you have a similar policy? Regards Paul
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#13 Posted : 15 January 2005 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arleigh I have worked in the safety consulting business for 14 years and some person has not been truthful to you. As long as the person training is compentent they can train another person. ANSI recently has come out with a new training standard that must be followed when training. I have worked with DBI Sala Norh America as a trainer and have just recently went back to operating my own consulting company. When working with Capital Safety Group North America we had one of the leading train the traner program in the country. My company as well, has developed an instructor trainer program in fall protection. There tends to be a huge amount of information to digest when learning the fall arrest system.
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#14 Posted : 12 February 2005 22:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By David AB Thomas You may wish to contact Members of the Height & Access Safety Group: http://www.hasg.org.uk/members.htm
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#15 Posted : 13 February 2005 20:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Grady there is a recent operational circular produced by HSE regarding emergency escape equipment - appropriate means for selection. This may help. The main thing to bear in mind is that training a person to use the equipment (i.e. rope access company) is not the same as evaluation and training of instructors (i.e. supervisor training, regardless of industry or application)
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#16 Posted : 14 February 2005 19:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Cooper-Abbs Steven, What type of work is being undertaken?
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#17 Posted : 16 February 2005 07:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven Taylor Working at height and in confined spaces so we will be looking at rescue harness as well. I have now managed to persuade the company that I buy the harnesses off to change their training policy, so they will be training our trainers next week. Pity I had to threaten not to buy any more equipment off them, but hey it worked!!!! Thanks to everyone for their reponses and help.
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#18 Posted : 18 February 2005 21:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett You've been inundated with responses so I'll keep this one short. If you can't do it any other way, then you must use fall arrest only as a last resort. If you do use it, the operatives must be trained in all aspects of the equipment and the job itself. Ideally, any training that you source should be in-house and focussed very tightly upon your specific hazards and activities. Don't forget to ensure that a really thorough risk assessment is in place that addresses the training activity properly - the routine operation RA will NOT be sufficient. Frank Hallett
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#19 Posted : 27 February 2005 21:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By David AB Thomas The HSE Operational Circular on 'Rope escape from mechnaical handling equipment' (referred to above) is available as: http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/20-3.htm
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#20 Posted : 27 February 2005 22:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sylvia Tyler Hirachy - this may be what your first training provider was talking about. We have had problems in the past where we have used personal suspension equipment, risk assessment and method statement OK, competent persons abseiling - but the HSE Inspector warned us that we had to install a working platform first and foremost, REASONABLY PRACTICABLE was not allowed to continue. It therefore took 3 scaffolders 1 day erecting and 1 day dismantling, getting material on to the top of the roof that may have fallen onto someone and had manual handling consequences, 1 person taking half a day to do the task. We could have done the job in 1 day, 1 man at risk, safe system of work in place? May be people will not train in the use of harness if they think the task you are carrying out should not be done via a fall arrest system. Sylvia
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#21 Posted : 28 February 2005 07:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope I've been very interested to see ocassional references to the emerging behavioural safety theme on this site. I think that if I had to escape from a forklift basket or order picker I would be safer using something familiar and with which I could easily recognise faults. I would in all cases prefer to use a ladder that I could tie onto a purpose made bracket and open a gate in the basket to descend than, in the event of an emergency, when my adrenilin kicks in, try hard to remember some training that I did even last week, let alone 12 months ago. My impression with training is that unless a person uses the skill they are trained in regularly they soon forget some essential component of it unless they have a photographic memory in which case they are likely to be a doctor not a cherry picker operator. The British Heart Foundation did some research on CPR which indicated that refresher training for CPR was needed by the average person every 6 months.
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