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#1 Posted : 09 December 2004 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Folks,

I'd be interested in any graphs of the risk of death on being struck by a moving vehicle at a given velocity. I'd like to use it to illustrate the reason why it's important that we shouldn't break a 30 limit even by 'just a few' mph as it is those few mph that move the risk of fatality from moderately low at 30 (less than 40%) to very high at 40 (more than 90%). The problem is I've only seen the odds at the two extremes of this range, and I'd like to be able to show our drivers the rate of change and use this to try and persuade them to slow down in urban areas,

John
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#2 Posted : 09 December 2004 18:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gordon Thelwell
Howdy pardner!

Check this great site out for what you're looking for. Let us know how you get on!

http://hyperphysics.phy-...su.edu/hbase/hframe.html

Regards,

Gordon.
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#3 Posted : 09 December 2004 18:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
B****r me, but I looked at that link and realised rapidly that I am not up to einstein's, fermat's or szigly's level.

Sorry, but could you give a bit more guidance on how to find Mr knight's answer ?
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#4 Posted : 10 December 2004 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gordon Thelwell
is this more useful?

Impact on a pedestrian

Because the pedestrian, "Sam", is so much lighter than the car, he has little effect upon its speed. The car, however, very rapidly increases Sam's speed from zero to the impact speed of the vehicle. The time taken for this is about the time it takes for the car to travel a distance equal to Sam's thickness – about 20 centimetres. The impact speed of Car 1 in our example is about 8.1 metres per second, so the impact lasts only about 0.025 seconds. Sam must be accelerated at a rate of about 320 metres per second per second during this short time. If Sam weighs 50 kilograms, then the force required is the product of his mass and his acceleration – about 16,000 newtons or about 1.6 tonnes weight.

Since the impact force on Sam depends on the impact speed divided by the impact time, it increases as the square of the impact speed. The impact speed, as we have seen above, increases rapidly as the travel speed increases, because the brakes are unable to bring the car to a stop in time.

Once a pedestrian has been hit by a car, the probability of serious injury or death depends strongly on the impact speed. Reducing the impact speed from 60 to 50 kilometres/hour almost halves the likelihood of death, but has relatively little influence on the likelihood of injury, which remains close to 100 per cent. Reducing the speed to 40 kilometres/hour, as in school zones, reduces the likelihood of death by a factor of 4 compared with 60 kilometres/hour, and of course the likelihood of an impact is also dramatically reduced.

Modern cars with low streamlined bonnets are more pedestrian-friendly than upright designs, such as those found in 4-wheel drive vehicles, since the pedestrian is thrown upwards towards the windscreen with a corresponding slowing of the impact. Cars with bullbars are particularly unfriendly to pedestrians and to other vehicles, since they are designed to protect their own occupants with little regard to others
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#5 Posted : 10 December 2004 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Thanks for the idea but I am looking for something much simpler than this; just a graph I can show to people who drive for work,

John
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#6 Posted : 10 December 2004 09:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
Hello John,

Wasn't there a tv ad that illustrated this point exactly?

Karen
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#7 Posted : 10 December 2004 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gordon Thelwell
Aha! Gotcha. Good teamwork!

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/killspeed.html
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#8 Posted : 10 December 2004 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Fantastic! That's exactly what I was looking for, ta very much,

John
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