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#1 Posted : 15 December 2004 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Birchall I work at a college, and we often have visitors, that are not disabled, using all our available disabled car spaces! One of our support staff was advised by someone that by applying a notice on the cars was actually illegal (do not park here, it's for disabled users). Anyone know how we stand on this please?
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#2 Posted : 15 December 2004 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roj Smith I can't see a problem so long as you are not causing damage to the vehicle when applying the notice. My car is always being slapped with "Make £2,000 a week - phone this number" type business cards and flyers. Start with a polite notice held between screen and the wipers. Keep a note of the vehicle registration and send them a stronger note if the nice one doesn't work. For persistent offenders, use a sticky label like a parking ticket, (i.e. one that sticks but can be removed) but keep it on the glass, not the paintwork. Providing a parking space for disabled staff/visitors, but making no attempt to enforce it is about as useful as not providing the parking space at all. Roj
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#3 Posted : 15 December 2004 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman To be really, really effective, try the following : 1. Notice saying "Reserved for disabled persons. £50 parking fee for non disabled" 2. Prepare sticky lables (A4 size): "You are currently not authorised to occupy this space. £50 parking fee is now due. Should you wish to apply for future authorisation please complete the following form : I am Mentally ___ , Physically ___ , Morally ___ Handicapped and claim my right to occupy this space." 3. apply lable to windshield, drivers side.
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#4 Posted : 15 December 2004 20:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Firstly, do not apply to windscreen - if driver decides to drive away with it in place you are liable - police advice. Any sticky label should be placed on the driver's side window, lower LH corner i.e. just above the handle - once again, police advice. The stickier the better. If you are in England (and Wales)you can clamp, of course. You can also clamp in Scotland, contrary to popular opinion. What is illegal up here is charging for the clamp to be removed - it is regarded as extortion. What you can do in Scotland is clamp and place a notice on the vehicle to the effect "Your vehicle has been clamped for security/safety reasons. Please contact the janitor (caretaker/reception/gatekeeper etc) who will remove it for you. There will be no charge for this service". By the time they have they have done this a few times, particularly if the janitor/gateperson is busy and hard to find, they will get the message! Once again on police advice, the relevant person must not deliberately make themselves hard to find, this is regarded as depriving the owner of the use of the vehicle. He/she must be going about their normal and routine business. Of course, that routine business may just be "making infrequent but random visits to check the - " liftroom/basement/plant room, stationery store etc! On a serious note, while it has not yet been tested in the courts, learned opinion suggests that under the DDA it is not only a requirement to provide facilities for the disabled, but also to take reasonable steps to ensure that such facilities are actually available for use. Just for the record, I am a Blue Badge holder, and like most of us, I come across this four or five times a day ("I'm not going to be long." "I'm just waiting for someone" "I'm just unloading" "There wasn't anywhere else to park") Laurie
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#5 Posted : 15 December 2004 20:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP Clamp it....
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#6 Posted : 15 December 2004 20:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Laurie, your the expert, and I agree and sympathise. It's just so much more satisfying doing it my way Merv
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#7 Posted : 15 December 2004 22:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Merv, I think your way would probably be the most effective, in terms of the irritation it would cause to the offender, as I can verify: At a place I used to work at, I came out to find that someone had slapped flyers for laminate flooring on every single car in the street. I went to remove the flyer from my windscreen, but it wouldn't come off. It was a glossy paper flyer, and while I'd been in work it had rained and there had also been strong sun so the flyer was now baked on my windscreen. I tried peeling it off, but this left half the flyer still stuck to the windscreen. I was really really mad at this stage. I phoned the company that the flyer was advertising and asked them for directions. They asked why, and I explained what had happened, and that I'd be along shortly for them to remove the remnants of the flyer from my windscreen and to have some glass cleaner ready for when I arrived. When I got there, they had found some glass cleaner, and I stood over the manager while it took him 20 minutes to remove it from my windscreen. As I drove out, I did feel a little bad, but to this day if I am out and arrive back to find flyers on my car, I feel the heckles rise... Help. I think I am turning into Victor Meldrew! Karen
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#8 Posted : 16 December 2004 17:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lewis T Roberts Why don't you have your parking space moved to a more remote spot therefore making it less attractive to those selfish individuals. Lew
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#9 Posted : 17 December 2004 08:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Elsmore I would be reluctant to move parking spaces to a remote spot, the point of a disabled parking space is to allow 'easy' access to a building for disabled patrons. You could be accused of making life difficult for disabled patrons as an easy out instead of tackling the ignorant parkers. A combination of polite then stronger action such as clamping should quickly deter misuse. Have you considered the installation of a cheap CCTV system, if you could catch the parkers before they leave their vehicle you could avoid the problem before it starts.
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#10 Posted : 17 December 2004 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson We also have this problem but have University Regulations covering Car Parking on Campus. If cars are not parked in accordance with the Regulations and that includes parking in disabled spaces we clamp them. We display prominent notices to this effect at the entrances to our Campus and also have an appeals procedure if people believe they have been unfairly treated. We apply it to all and on one occasion clamped the Chair of Council who I might add paid up with good grace.
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#11 Posted : 22 December 2004 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Birchall Did you not get your P45 John? Only kidding, I've solved it with signage so it's just a case of supervision. I've told them that they will be clamped too. Thanks all!
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