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#1 Posted : 16 December 2004 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel What systems etc have people in place to manage asbestos INSIDE domestic premises when occupied! The HSE have nothing. The employers duty of care still applies and common law duties etc still apply.
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#2 Posted : 16 December 2004 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Ayee Many local authorities have carried out asbestos surveys in representative samples of their housing stock. This was being done by many prior to the lates revision of CAWR. The CAWR duty to prevent/control exposure applies where persons are working in domestic premises but the duty to manage relates to non-domestic (incl common parts of flats etc).
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#3 Posted : 16 December 2004 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Many Local Authorities have issued general information and guidance to tenants regarding asbestos in the home - there are one or two examples on the web. Some other LA's (as previous post says) have done representative Type 2 survey and passed info to tenants. Remember that Reg 4 duty extends to common areas such as stairwells, bin stores, laundrettes, lifts and service risers, etc. In any event, these domestic premises are the workplace of hundreds of LA and other contracted tradesmen - similar principles and safe systems of work should be applied as with other premises within LAs property portfolios.
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#4 Posted : 16 December 2004 18:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Bob, I carry out a lot of work in domestic premises. Rather than concentrate on asbestos legislation the easiest and simplest method to raise the clients awareness is carry out a risk assessment of the proprerty and record the significant findings. As the possible presence of asbestos will be identified, suitable control measures will have to be introduced in order to control the risk from exposure. e.g survey, sampling & possible removal. I have had no adverse problems getting clients to survey, however when it comes to removal, most seem to think if you arm yourself with a copy of "asbestos essentails" you are sorted. I have pointed out the error of their ways on a number of occaions and they have taken note. by the way I am not a surveyor or a removal contractor. If this doesn't work then you can pursue the legislative route. Regards Paul
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#5 Posted : 17 December 2004 21:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Recently a neighbour of mine had a water tank leak that penetrated through to the ground floor living room from the loft, causing extensive ceiling damage in the living room. Prior to any repairs, an insurance company was sent in to assess and an asbestos surveyor was called who surveyed, sampled and asbestos was identified in the artex ceiling finish to the living room. Before the ceiling could be repaired, an asbestos removal company were employed to entirely remove the artex finishing to the ceiling, so that new plasterboard and plastering could take place, and a new non-asbestos containing artex finish applied. If the 'domestic' area of a building contains asbestos, and becomes the workplace for a specific job, such as above, there is a duty on the employer to take such action as is necessary to prevent exposure of his employees (or others who may be affected by his undertaking) to the hazard and prevent harm. Whilst the CAWR refers to common areas of domestic premises (such as stairwells and the like) that are open to all persons, it should be remembered that where a landlord or building owner has duties to maintain a property, the 'domestic' area may well become a workplace and that action is required to ensure it as safe to work in these locations as in any other workplace...when the duties that need to be performed may expose employees to such hazards... Stuart
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