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Posted By Hugh Maxwell
Could anyone please assist me with some advice concerning what is legally the case. We are in the process of down sizing the business and as an interim arrangement to office modificstions have created a small "seating area" for people to eat their meals. Adjacent to this - approx 3 metres away is a toilet. In addition there is a room approx 4 metres way for which we have taken the doors off to put tables and chairs into the area. It is regularly cleaned and has two hinged doors on the room entrance. Concern has been raised since one of the doors sticks and does not close fully. Whilst the intention is to provide a suitable and safe environment, can anyone please confirm if this contravenes legislation ? Any thoughts or comments please.
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Posted By Neil Pearson
I'm not very knowledgeable on this, but I have the feeling you're supposed to have 2 doors in between a toilet and any area where food is eaten or prepared. Not sure though. I guess the answer is somewhere in the building regs - try here:
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/s...dpm_index.hcst?n=240&l=2
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Food Hygine General Regs, supposed to have a ventilated space between WC and Food Areas, Ask your local EH Dept at the council.
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Posted By Mark J. Jones
Please see a similar thread; 'toilets opening directly into kitchens' dated 10/11/04.
I don't fully understand the scenario described but hopefully you will be able to apply the following legislation and guidance:
Food Safety (General Food Hygiene) Regulations 1995, Part 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 3 states:
'Lavatories must not lead directly into rooms in which food is handled'. This applies to the kitchen and all ancillary areas of the premises, storage areas, staff rooms, dining/eating areas etc.
Advice on good practice within the Industry Guide to Good Hygiene Practice: Catering Guide ISBN 0 900 103 00 0' also advises that 'There should be an intervening ventilated space between toilets and food rooms. Food should not be stored in that space'
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear Hugh,
Are you a food business? The food hygine regulations apply to food businesses and define "food business" as meaning "any undertaking, whether carried on for profit or not and whether public or private, carrying out any or all of the following operations, namely, preparation, processing, manufacturing, packaging, storing, transportation, distribution, handling or offering for sale or supply, of food."
Whilst Mark is absolutely correct in that "Lavatories must not lead directly into rooms in which food is handled" a dining area is not necessarily a room in which food is handled. Furthermore if there is a distance of 3 m between the sitting areas, the lavatory does not lead directly into the room.
Regards Adrian Watson.
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Posted By Mark J. Jones
The requirement under the Food Safety (General Food Hygiene) Regulations 1995, Part 4, Chapter 1, Paragraph 3 that 'Lavatories must not lead directly into rooms in which food is handled' also applies to dining areas.
The Building Regs may also contain some additional information on this issue.
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Posted By Simon Ayee
For toilets how about looking at the ACOP to the Workplace (H,S & W) Regs esp re regs 20 & 21 (paragraph 208)
"...... However, no room containing a sanitary convenience should communicate
directly with a room where food is processed, prepared or eaten."
Not sure what your question is re the door to the other room.
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Once again, this seems to be the situation where the ACOP appear to add a new legal duty to the regulations!
20.—(1) Suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences shall be provided at readily accessible places.
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), sanitary conveniences shall not be suitable unless—
(a) the rooms containing them are adequately ventilated and lit;
(b) they and the rooms containing them are kept in a clean and orderly condition; and
(c) separate rooms containing conveniences are provided for men and women except where and so far as each convenience is in a separate room the door of which is capable of being secured from inside.
Regards Adrian Watson
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Posted By Hugh Maxwell
Dear All,
Situation rectified based upon your excellent and timely responses. It has been a very difficult time recently with lots of changes and it is important that standards are maintained. A very merry christmas and happy new year to you all.
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