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#1 Posted : 17 January 2005 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard McLellan
I work in the offshore industry where we have a number of wooden ladders and wood or glassfibre stepladders. These are inspected by our scaffolding foreman and tagged as safe to use.
Our ladder 'inspectors'differ in their opinions on what to do with defective ladders. One quarantines defective ladders for repair and recertifies them when repaired. The other condemns any ladder with a defect and the ladder is skipped. His argument being that any modification or repair invalidates the original manufacturers warranty and leaves us liable should an accident occur (even if the repair is inspected and passed as OK). An interesting point, but expensive! This dichotomy needs to be resolved, so I am seeking advice from the greater minds of my IOSH colleagues. A little advice on the competency requirements for ladder inspection might also be helpful. The scaffold foremen are licenced as competent for scaffolding inspection, but have not had any further training for inspection of stepladders - is this required?
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#2 Posted : 17 January 2005 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By John-Mark
I would tend to agree with your second chappie - get rid of any defective ladders.

Do not affect your own repairs on wooden ladders, get rid and replace.

JM
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#3 Posted : 17 January 2005 19:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope
I'm interested in the answers to this query

Wouldn't any crafty manufacture contend that a failed stepladder had been abused ?

One of my customers made their own stepladders and ladders (they have a joinery arm) - although these items of equipment were never tested to confirm that they met with BS classification it was difficult for me to condemn them out of hand, after all the same firm made stairs for houses that would be ascended by many many more people than a stepladder.

The key to safe stepladder use is

1. is it the right tool for the job
2. is the user trained to inspect before use
3. can a repair be effected that is as good as the makers original workmanship

When your ford car breaks down you don't have to have it re MOT'd or repair by the manufacturer.

We seem to live in such an unsustainable age !
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#4 Posted : 17 January 2005 20:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
An interesting subject and in both reactions to the problem of defective ladders there appears to be merits, albeit expensive if you're going to bin ladders each time they have a small defect which is repairable.

In my own opinion, if the ladder is within the warranty provided by the manufacturer an unauthorised repair by anyone other than the manufacturer would invalidate the warranty, as would be case with most other manufactured goods.

however, on the other hand, when working offshore, its not practicable to pop it back to jewsons and say look what the jewson has happen to my new ladder!!

In any case of defective work equipment, it would seem that there are two elements of maintenance and state of repair that apply. That to which a specification may apply (e.g. it cannot be used if not repaired to a certin standard, and inspected, tested and calibrated). In which case any repair may need to be of a certain standard in order for the work equipment to be satisfactory for purpose,. and that which is defective for use due to a defect and requires repair before use, but to which no set standard for repair applies, so long as the repaired item is repaired well, inspected by best practicable means and is certified safe for use.

It would seem to me that engineering workshops all over the UK (and probably further afield) are regularly engaged in repairs to ladders, where they can be safely and satisfactorilly repaired that is, and I would summise that as long as the engineering repair is sound, and certified by a competent person as safe to use, then there there is no specific problem that arises.

Liability for injuries to employees will lay with the employer if work equipment fails due to the the fact that the work equipment was not fit for use or a repair undertaken was not done adequately, so as to make the work equipment unsafe or inspection of a repair was not carried out by a competent person etc... Not the retailer who sold it, unless it was defect due to a manufacturing fault, which would appear not to be the case.

Therefore, in summing up, my personal opinion would be Ok to use if repaired adequately and inspected by a competent person.

If repaired and inspected by someone not deemed as competent (someone who has not been trained and is inexperienced), then problems may arise in that the duty of care to provide safe work equipment may not be being met, and hence an incident/accident may have no defence.

I would suggest the following action:

1) training in ladder use and inspections for all staff involved in use and repairs

2) records of use

3) records of repairs made

4) records of ladders certified fit for use following repair by competent person

5) ladders ditched when condition of ladder is such that further sensible repair not viable.

Stuart
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#5 Posted : 18 January 2005 19:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard McLellan
Thanks for the opinions There is obviously a spectrum of defects and repair from a replacing a missing pop rivet to attempting to fix a broken rung. Either end of spectrum is easy to manage, its the grey bits in the middle that cause the problems.
We comply with most of Stuarts points with all ladders fitted with a 'scafftag' which is withdrawn from defective ladders and only replaced when ladder is inspected and deemed fit for use. Tags are dated and ladders are reinspected regularly. We also have a safe working practice which all ladder users must read and we check this regularly by audit.
The warranty bit is a non starter for offshore - it is just not economic for us to return small equipment to manufacturers. Recording the use of each ladder would also be hugely impractical, we have dozens of them distributed around the rig. I can imagine the lads response if they have to sign ladders in and out.
So, I think we will have to live with the differing opinions on the acceptability of repairs and work towards a compromise which is still adequately controlled and regulated. Although our 'inspectors' have huge experience and competence in inspecting scaffold access equipment perhaps a one day ladder inspection course for them both would get some commonality. There is a fear of tool modification and repair in the offshore industry, whereas my opinion is that this can be managed responsibly if repairs are carried out competently, controlled and inspected as fit for use. Otherwise we may soon get to the stage of being unable to change the handle on a sweeping brush.
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#6 Posted : 19 January 2005 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Excellent reply from stuart. I can only add that IF the decision is made to bin a ladder it be effectively destroyed before binning. This means cutting it in half vertically. In the safest possible way.
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