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Posted By J Knight
Hi,
I'd be interested to hear any informed opinion about reports on health risks from mobiles. Where do people think we are on the continuum from 'it's a load of pseudo-scientific tosh' to 'we should ban them now'? I'm not sure what to think, myself,
John
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
John
People seem to have forgotten the dictum 'moderation in all things'. Used in moderation, I think the risk, if any, from mobile 'phones will be very low. The risk would have to be high to get people to stop using them and I don't think that they would ever be withdrawn from use because they are simply too useful. Many people have still to accept the fact that nothing is completely safe and such people will object to nearly everything that carries some risk even if that risk is small.
I don't work for the industry, by the way
Paul
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Posted By Richard Mathews
I agree with Paul, moderation in using mobile phones is the key. Only use them when necessary and keep conversations short and to the point.
There are the other dangers of using mobile phones which can have an immediate impact on the health and safety of users and others. For example, using the phone when driving which has been the subject of lengthy debate in the past. I’ve also come across instances in a local company of people being injured at work as a result of using a mobile whilst operating milling machines and lathes or even driving cranes, with the result that the company had to ban their use in the factory.
If people are not sensible in the use of mobile phones, or any other equipment, someone will eventually legislate for restriction.
Richard
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Posted By Richard Mathews
just read the postings on mobile phones and construction.
Richard
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Posted By Jim Walker
I disagree these are low risk.
If you sit next to me on the train and have a "I'm on the train and I'm making sure everyone in the carriage knows what an important chap I am" conversation.
The risk is high and you may need surgery to extract said mobile phone from............
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Posted By Gerry Knowles
I am now old enough to be regarded as a coffin dodger and as such I have seen a lot of changes in technology. I remember that colour televisions would make women infertile and we would all go blind, microwave ovens would cook the food and anything else within 20 feet regardless of the amount of screening. To mention a couple of things that have not come to pass.
I think as a nation we have evolved to worry about the new and unknown. I guess that the jury is still out but if past changes have been anything to go by mobile phones will be safe just as soon as the next bit of dangerous technology comes along.
Gerry Knowles
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Posted By Neil Pearson
I bought a jacket that has a "radiation protected" pocket for a phone. Looking inside there's a silvery lining. I wonder if it really reflects any microwave radiation? Reminds me a bit of anti-radiation screens they used to sell for VDUs.
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Posted By J Knight
I must admit that the parallels with the 'radiation hazards' from VDUs had crossed my mind, and we do need to discourage any starving urchin chimney-sweeps from using their mobiles, but the research on this topic does all seem to point one way. We do (where I work) control mobile use, on the grounds that a) people shouldn't use them at all when carrying out hazardous activities such as driving (CRANES! Good grief!) and b) if they're talking to their mates/bookies/mum/whoever they ain't actually working. But part of me would like to know what the actual risk, if any, is; however, it seems that right now nobody actually does; moderation seems to be the best guide when its a) safe and b) work related, but what do I do when everybody in the organisation rings me on the mobile because all they have to remember to do that is my name and not my number? I just hope this isn't toasting my brains (though I'm far from convinced that it is)
John
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Posted By J Knight
PS Neil, how on earth is that meant to work? If you're holding your phone, it's out of your pocket, and if a bit of tin foil can actually block radio waves at the particular frequency involved, surely that will just stop the phone ringing and stuff; or maybe that's the point? I'm intrigued,
John
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
Well, the foil thing comes from the "faraday cage" effect, where radios INSIDE an earthed metal cage just don't receive signals.
The theory being that having the foil between the phone and your body will reflect the rf away from your body. Unfortunately, the radiation not only goes horizontally but vertically as well. At the frequencies used by gsm mobiles (900 and 1800 mhz (ish)) practically all the signal is absorbed by the first few mms of your body.
Some reports showed blood pressure increase in mobile phone users.....but if you'd been paying 30+ a month for a contract and your phone still cuts off in the middle of a call you'd have high blood pressure as well. Others show dna damage in cells....same as sunlight then, but you pay 30+ a month for the phone, so at least you're getting your monies worth.
The thing to remember is this, scientists need something to do to live.....so expect loads more health scares yet, it's a growth industry. The EU research cost over 30 million euros to confirm what was already known.
The hard facts are these, if you're worried that your mobile is damaging you then even without ever using it, it is. The psychological damage is probably harming you more than any physical effect.
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Posted By J Knight
Yes, I know what a Faraday cage does, suerly this would stop the phones working. BTW, don't believe the 30 million euros figure, that has to have been sourced from the Daily Mail, I reckon. And while we're on the subject of mobiles, look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4203077.stm which points aout that a simple ferrite bead clipped to the wire will block stray radio waves travelling up your hand's free kit. This would appear to be a complete answer to any risk that might exist. seems that scientists might do more with their time than just generate health scares after all,
John
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
It's more complicated than that. The "shield" between the phone and your body is supposed to reflect the rf away from you...but as I said, it goes up/down/left/right...etc..omnidirectional in fact, so the shield is ok for your right/left breast...
As for the ferrite bead....whether that works depends on the type of ferrite...there are different beads for different frequencies...and the phone, as I said, is radiating in all directions...you could use a bluetooth headset...but if you're worried about "radiation" then you should remember that it operates at about 2400 mhz...just about the same as a m/wave oven (but a LOT lower power)
Take your pick....you're more likely to be killed walking across the road while chatting on the phone, than from the rf emitted by the phone.
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Posted By J Knight
As I understand the ferrite bead bit this is only for use with a wired up hands free, don't know about bluetooth, and it certainly would have no effect on hands held. Take your point about microwaves; however you can't get good chips from a microwave however hard you try, and you also don't hold one next to yer 'ead,
John
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Well, Brainiacs [Sci programme on Sky] tried a simple experiment... 100 mobile phones transmitting around an egg ... would the egg cook?
No.
Mamals deal with local temperature variations [the thing caused the DNA mutation, apparently] by shunting the heat around the body through the blood circulation system, and expiring / dissipating unwanted heat [try commuting on the Central Line and you will know all about that].
Compared to the other risks I face in the day, the mobile is minor.
The experiments which have shown problems have chosen very high dosage on very small samples ... I'm a big bloke with a small phone.
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