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Posted By Seth Pierce
This may sound like a strange question but a serious answer is needed.
I want to demonstrate (graphically) to my Managing Director the potential destruction a 200kg lump of steel could cause if dropped on an employes fingers. This is to push forward the need for specialist lifting equipment. I've toyed with the idea of using carrots, cucumbers as props to represent fingers, taking before and after pictures and/or video evidence of said lump of metal hitting these objects. So, here's the question: Does anyone have any ideas on what product/item could be used to represent, as closely as possible, human fingers?
Best Regards
Seth
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Posted By MarkSMark
Maybe try some chicken legs or wings. Or a WHOLE CHICKEN with giblets still in the cavity.... that really would make a mess.
I think this is a really good idea. Good Luck.
Marky
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Afraid if your MD can't make the connection of a 200kg lump of steel falling on to a hand/finger and the likely result with out the need to have a visual demonstration....then I pity your company.
200kg = about 440lbs (for us older people)so nevermind the crush injuries, what about manual handling injuries if you tried to move it this way.
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Posted By Seth Pierce
Roger,
In reply to your posting, I feel I must defend the company. We do have an extremely good safety record here. At present we do have lifting equipment for these lumps of metal but due to the shape there is a requirement for them to be positioned correctly on a CNC bed whilst suspended. I just want to highlight the issue and I have always found that if it's graphic it usually works. The specialist equipment, although expensive, would remove the need for any human contact with the product. The process has been risk assessed but I want to push the preventative measures as far as possible. If I can remove all major hazards in one go it's got to worth a try!!!
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Posted By Fiona Cowan
Seth
Historians often use soap to represent the human body as it mimics the effects of interaction with (eg arrows) items on the body.
Fiona
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Seems to me from the info given, you should get the equipment if your risk highlights a crush risk/manual handling risk.
I can see the prosecution...'failure to have a safe system of work, lifting 400-odd lbs of steel manually was deemed to be adequate, despite the obvious risk of crushing...' etc etc
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Posted By Seth Pierce
Roger,
Just incase you missed my first reply. The material in question is lifted mechanically at present. I just want to obtain the 'best' equipment possible.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
If my memory serves me correctly Pig Hocks give a good representation of the forearm as used by many arms manufacturers in the past as the response is much the same as the human body. Could be usefully cooked afterwards I suppose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
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Posted By Stephen D. Clarke
When doing PPE training I've used hotdog sausages to good effect in safety and ordinary shoes. The latter don't last long but can be replaced for a few pence from a charity shop. A 10kg weight makes a real mess dropped on the ordinary shoes and clearly makes the point. The sausages are only revealed after dropping the weight.
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Posted By Dave Doherty
Seth,
A very competent H&S advisor told me a few years ago when testing guarding to use a carrot as it's the nearest in composition to a human finger
Dave
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Posted By Stuart Nagle
Seth.
I would tend to agree with Rodge the Dodge on this, but if you have to demonstrate this, I would recommend at Pigs Trotter, similar in composition to human hand with similar amount of bones in it.
In fact, pig's physiology in general is very similar to humans in many ways. Their carcasses were also used for testing the effects of live ammo to assess battle wound injuries to humans!!
Stuart
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