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Posted By Francis MSc MIOSH RSP
Can anyone clarify for me how long someone (non-HGV) can be in a position of
1)being on call after a day's work (not necessarily driving) and
2) driving day after day?
If it doesn't make sense- anyone out there feel in a position to contact me direct?
Thanks
Francis
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Posted By John H
Excellent question to which I have found no answer myself.
When non-HGV (none tachographed) vehicles are involved there seems to be a distinct lack of information on this subject - perhaps the answer lies buried in the depths of the Workingtime Regulations...
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Posted By steve e ashton
driving whilst tired - see
http://www.thinkroadsafe...ness/drivertiredness.htm
There are no 'standards' that I am aware of, but wouldn't want to try to justify any rostered 'driving' and associated activities that exceeded the hours laid out for tachographed drivers.
Steve
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Posted By steve e ashton
And I should have added - the safedriving site recommends a cup or two of strong coffee to revive when tired.
I have heard it said (Radio 1) that in order to get enough caffeine to equate to two 'strong' cups of coffee, you would need to drink 11 PINTS of average motorway service station coffee!
Now that WOULD keep me awake.... nursing a bladder the size of a space hopper whilst driving!
Steve
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Posted By Karen Todd
Steve,
You'd have to re-mortgage the house in order to buy 11 pints of coffee from some motorway services!!!
Karen
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Posted By Ron Impey
Hi Francis,
I agree that the Working Time Regs probably hold the key, wrt daily rest periods.
I'll e-mail you my 'Transport by Minibus and Staff Crs Safety Checklist', and 'Drowsy Drivers' poster.
Regards,
Ron
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
Would agree with previous people that working time regulations cover total time at work, but as to time driving, where specific requirements do not apply its down to our old friend risk assessments. I believe the HSE are being pressurised to take accidents on the public highway involving people at work more seriously and not leave them to the police, the fatality involving a fork lift truck in Liverpool springs to mind.
Have you got a copy of INDG382 Driving at Work – managing work-related road safety? This can be down loaded free from HSE Books.
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Posted By George Wedgwood
Some non-"EU Rules" drivers are also covered by the Road Transport Directive (Amending the WTR 1998 on 23 March this year). These are defined as drivers who are associated with EU Rules (Tachograph recorded driving)and who have to be limited to an agreed period 17 or 28 weeks over which their hours of work required regulating and recording. they could be transport fleet breakdown fitters etc. It is a complex area and I am not a specialist but lots can be learned by visiting the freight Transport Association website at http://www.fta.co.uk/ or the DfT site at http://www.dft.gov.uk/st.../dft_freight_022954.hcsp
Ordinary 'company' drivers like me and you are not included in this amendment so fall under the existing WTR and we can still 'opt-out' of the 48 hour week by contract or personal agreement. So it's back to the internal policies I am afraid and I have supplied quite a few of these, based on MORR, to previous Threads authors. Let me know if you want a generic copy. George
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Posted By Wazza
Looking back at the earlier responses about 'strong' coffee, could I suggest that drivers are issued with flasks to make there own, therefore additional expenditure on 11 pints of service station coffee is not necessary.
You may also want to put your Flask through a portable appliance test (to ensure it still works).
Oh, I just love mornings, anyone for coffee?
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Posted By Stephen Boardman
Francis, as above the guidance does come from the working time directive. but this document is also a good guide (DIRECTIVE 2002/15/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 11 March 2002) it covers mobile workers hours/rest periods etc.
Hope this helps
Steve
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