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#1 Posted : 01 March 2005 21:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun allport Pat testing......... I have a constant battle with this subject, i appreciate what PUWER & MHSAW say but as pat testing basically tests the earthing of appliances and they have to be portable...where do we stand with desk top PCs that are double insulated, as many things are now becoming? do we have to or not? any electrical experts out there to help regards Shaun
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#2 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Shaun I am no electrician but I have been told that if you do a full PAT on anything containing a processor, you fry the chips! Paul
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#3 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hay Shaun Check out INDG236 'Maintaining portable electrical equipment in offices and other low-risk environments'. It has a useful table offering suggested timescales for inspection. It also explains when eqipment requires a full PAT test or formal visual inspection. (What on earth am I doing on a H&S discussion forum at 10.20 at night?? I need to get out more!) Paul
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#4 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun allport Thanks Paul, i didn't know that? but this still bugs me as i can't find a definitive answer come on there must be someone out there to put me out of this misery... i'm slowly getting PAT off
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#5 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun allport thanks Paul 2..... will do, same here 10.30 ish & sad!
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#6 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By JOHN LEES Shaun It's true, the PAT test can damage the PC. The PAT test applies to items which would normally be PORTABLE, as in Drill, Kettle, test equipment etc. Items that will become damaged through constant movement/relocation. The Computer/Printer etc will still need testing, but that will be as with normal annual, bi-annual electrical testing for security & condition of cables and condition of item.
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#7 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun allport Thanks all for feedback... you learn something new everyday! next time my PC bugs me i'll just PAT TEST it!
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#8 Posted : 01 March 2005 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian J. Durber Shaun I'm afraid that even though pc's are double insulated they are still subject to the 'PAT' testing requirements under the EAWR 1989: The Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 state that..."As may be necessary to prevent danger, all systems shall be maintained so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, such danger". An insulation resistance test at very low current (to prevent damage to the pc) is normally carried out for this type of equipment. For the full spec. get yourself a copy of the Institute of Electrical Engineers (IEE) Code of Practice for In-Service Inspection and Testing of Electrical Equipment. It tells you all you need to know about PAT testing. Regards, Ian Durber
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#9 Posted : 01 March 2005 23:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Ok, I am the saddest of all of you, I've just logged on!. There are PAT kits that can test PC's. And i have seen a table showing test frequencies for PC's, both on the visual inspection and on electrical testing. I'm back in the office on thus, so can mail you a copy then. Linda SHE Knows,
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#10 Posted : 02 March 2005 09:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By George Wedgwood Just be sensible about your testing and inspection frequency - many PAT firms will encourage you to test regularly (after all they get around £1.49 per item) and you end up with a regular hefty bill. Properly assessed on usage and abusage of particularly cables and plugs, you will find (like your PC at home) that most don't move a lot and most have concealed cables in desk managed systems. Those can thefore be subject to much less checking and since they are double insulated, they are even less risk to an employee contacting any 'extraneous conducting metal part'. I would have said that a visual inspection to confirm low risk due to fixed position every year and a PAT test every two to five years would be sufficient. For poorly managed installations with trailing cables and multi-sockets that get unplugged regularly, a 3 monthly visual and 6 monthly PAT may be more appropriate. This should be discussed in a sensible way with your tester, preferably with an electrical engineer/technician, who can properly help assess the risks. George
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#11 Posted : 02 March 2005 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton If you look at the IEE website it has recommended intervals for the PAT of computers - this is 48 months. In today's ever changing world who keeps a computer for 4 years? Terrible I know but I get through computers quicker than this at home let alone in the office. The issue may never arise at all but certainly the recommendation is 48 months. Hilary
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#12 Posted : 02 March 2005 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter There is no legal requirement to test the electrical equipment - the quote from PUWER on an earlier post covers this. For PC and ancillary equipment coming into the organisation new, then there should be no need to test any of it - thorough visual examinations should be good enough, annual or on any ocassion the kit is moved.
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