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Posted By Jim-F
we work a lot in and around open sewers, our guys are down a lot with flu symptoms,
can anyone advise on getting the guys jabs and how much do you think it would cost.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Jim
In sewers, flu is the least of the potential problems! The first stages of Weil's disease (leptospirosis) are flu-like symptoms and it can be fatal. Check out the HSE website for more details.
Paul
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Posted By Phil.D.Baptiste
following on from last reponse...
Hepatitis has also been found to survive in sewers, water course etc....I would also set up a health surveillance program
There are lots of providers out there, including GP's....jabs can cost from as little as £45 for flu etc....i think it's still a 3 course jab for Hepatitis, last time I looked it was £75 from the NHS Occy' Health Service or was that BUPA....
Phil B
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Posted By stephen J Smith
I would use your NHS occ health unit to provide leptospirosis and health surveillance for these guys. You have a duty of care for them and the costs aren't that great through the NHS.
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Posted By Liam Nolan
Hi,
We also work in sewers and with sewage.
We have an inoculation requirement for Hep A.
Additional suggested inocculations could be Tetnius.
Speak to your Company Doctor (or even your own personnal Doctor) he/she will be able to advise you on requirements.
Liam
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Posted By Jim-F
thanks guys, arrangements now being made
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Posted By DT
Our guys work in confined spaces a lot, and a lot of this is in sewage chambers. We require that Hep A, Hep B and tetanus are given to our employees.
This has been the minimum for a number of years now and was decided after talking to people with our local water authority.
We have also found that going to their own doctors may or may not be cheaper, depending on where they live. Some doctors charge only a minimal fee where as others charge the earth! For those, we found it cheaper to go to a local industrial doctors practice where we also carry out health examinations to check their fitness for this type of industry. NB : this has been asked for by some of our clients as a minimum requirement to accessing their place of work.
Dot
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Posted By Lumpy
I agree with Dot .. Hep A, B and Tetanus but would also include Polio.
I did some work back in the late 80s, when COSHH first came out, for a Water Authority who wanted to know what pathogens their workers were exposed to. This involved taking various air samples around treatment plants and down sewers. The three poeple involved in taking the samples all became ill (both ends) for a week, and this appeared to be the norm when speaking to the Water Authority employees.
Analysis of the samples was undertaken by the Water Authority, who did not release the results to us. That said they soon introduced a policy requiring the above jabs for certain employees.
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Posted By Gary L
With such jabs (tetanus, Hep A etc) being a recognised control for working in sewers, would a company then be well within their right to dismiss someone who refuses to have the jabs citing for eg, needle phobia?
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Posted By Lumpy
NO & YES. If it was stipulated as a requriement in the advertisment / job description then YES. If not then maybe. If your OH/GP states that the individual is "not fit" for the task, then you would need to look for other work they could do. If no other work was available, or if they refused other work then you could probably dismiss them (warnings etc first).
That said, remember that not all vaccinations are 100% effective, so unless you check for anti-bodies, you can't be sure that some vaccinations have worked anyway.
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Posted By Nick Egan
I think there are some possibly misleading replies here that ought to be checked out by a Dr with OM specialism and/or the local NHS Consultant in Communicable Diseases
What is the basis for HepB? Blood bourne and unlikely to in viable quantity to cause infection? Polio? surely almost, if not completly eradecated by infantile innoculation. Tetanus, a public health issue and a matter for the individual to maintain their status through their GP whether employed or not.
I don't think we should advocate willy-nilly the application of highly invasive methods to prevent ( and not always efficasiously) an infection. Should we not be looking at RPE, face-shields, impermiable overalls and gloves? What about old fasioned soap and water? or the modern day anti-septic washes?
Leptospires are a serious candidate for infection, however there is (last time I checked) no vacine for Leptospires in the UK and only one or two serovas are covered elswhere. There is I understand, only one specialist Lab in the UK capable of isolating and confirming infection by Leptospirosis.
There again most flu like symptoms are caused by - Flu or more probably the common cold.
Nick
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Posted By Lumpy
Nick,
Tetanus / Polio may be down to the individual, but how many individuals keep up to date with it, and how many parents now avoid giving their children vaccinations? We can't assume individuals have been inoculated.
I agree that basic hygiene and PPE are the best options, and to some degree vaccinations can lead to a false sense of security in that individuals believe they are 100% protected, and therefore do not take other precautions. However I can only go by the policy introduced by the local water authority after analysing the samples we obtained.
While working at a research establishment in Wiltshire (that doesn't appear on the map), I contributed to published papers in peer reviewed journals regarding infectious aerosols, aerostbility and viability. Unfortunately, although we had the capabilities to analyse the samples, the Water Authority wanted it done in-house and did not want any of the work published.... I wonder why????
That said, and without question, I agree with you that advice from an OH qualified Doctor should be obtained in this instance.
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Posted By Lumpy
Sorry one thing I forgot to add.
There is a big difference, in exposure terms, between walking through a sewer and undertaking work that may create infectious aerosols. During one sampling session the Water authority employees were high pressure water jetting the walls of the sewer. The walls were coated in feacies, sanitary towels etc etc. A very efficient way of producing infectious aerosols (inc. Blood Borne) wouldn't you agree.
In short consider the work you do, and if there is a way you can reduce exposure.
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Posted By Nick Egan
I agree that any process producing aerosol is more of a concern. But is it likley that such blood bourne pathogens would be in concentrations likely to cause infection? HEP A on the other hand is excreted invast quantities by infectees and is often epidemic in schools. it is feasible then that this is a likley source of infection and this is indicated for offering innoculation.
It is quite likely that inspired aerosols would cause URT inflammation and must be avoided.
Is it a surprise to anyone that the water company found something in the water? Bugs are everywhere, because it is there doesn't mean it is a risk.
Nick
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