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#1 Posted : 10 March 2005 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark G A client is asking if our installation engineers are ATEX Certified. Could someone please explain how we arrange this certification. Thanks for any help offered.
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#2 Posted : 10 March 2005 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight I thought ATEX approval/certification was for kit rather than people? John
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#3 Posted : 10 March 2005 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calum R Cameron I think you are right-it is for gear only. Mmmm-got me thinking now as well.
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#4 Posted : 10 March 2005 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Oakes Mark, Got me thinking too. Put atex into your search engine it will come up with the relevant requirements e.g. Atex 137 states that: The employer shall classify places where explosive atmospheres may occur into zones. All necessary measures must be taken to ensure that the workplace, work equipment and any associated connecting devices have been designed, constructed, assembled and installed, and are maintained and operated, in such a way as to minimise the risk of an explosion and, if an explosion does occur, to control or minimse its propagation within that workplace. Equipment and protective systems for all places in which explosive atmospheres may occur must be selected on the basis of the categories set out in 94/9/EC (Atex 95) a) zone 0 - category 1 equipment b) zone 1 - category 1 or 2 equipment c) zone 2 - category 1, 2 or 3 equipment From my reading it relates to the equipment specified for explosive atmospheres, or am I wrong? Keith
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#5 Posted : 10 March 2005 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calum R Cameron No-i'm convinced-it is for the classification of equipment for zone 0,1and 2. Ah-it's all coming back now. What the client is probably asking is whether the individual is sufficietly competent to make the distiction between classing of zones. This is a very complex issue and I could not begin to explain on this forum. You need to speak to someone who is from somewhere like a process or petro-chem background. Hope this helps. Calum
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#6 Posted : 10 March 2005 20:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle Mark. ATEX and applying it within the correct perameters can be a complicated business, especially so in complicated workplaces and with compliacted processes. I think what they are saying is that they want people who are competent, through training to be able to undertake ATEX inspections and certifications/type approvals competently... Stuart
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#7 Posted : 10 March 2005 21:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper Mark As previous colleagues have stated Atex applies to the equipment, but when this equipment is installed the cabling and interconnecting devices must also meet Atex requirements. It is pointless installing zone 1 equipment if the cable etc. doesn't meet the standard. I suggest you arrange for your engineers to attend a Atex equipment course. IOSH do one I think Barry
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#8 Posted : 11 March 2005 10:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian Meer (work) Mark, If it is for hazardous electrical equipment then "Compex" is the recognised training to enable persons (electricians) to install, inspect and maintain Hazardous Area (Ex) Electrical Equipment. The "Compex" course has been well recognised for Ex equipment ever since I have worked in the petrochemical industry (18 years now, i.e., pre-ATEX). If your client is worried about about mechanical igntion risk, e.g., replacing an Ex motor's shaft with the the wrong bearings causing it's T-Class to become invalid, then perhaps they simpley want to ensure that the equipment is installed, inspected and maintain according to its original design and Ex certification therefore reamining Atex, etc, compliant? I.e., the workman knows not to make non-approved / non-assessed changes which could impact on Atex. Trace heating (steam or electric) is a massive sub-section in itself, e.g., lagging calculations, over-temperature protection and IEC61508 issues? "Atex" is emerging as a very detailed debate and I have a feeling the orgin of your question is quite detailed also?
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#9 Posted : 11 March 2005 17:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman If your client just happens to be swiss, then ATEX is the organisation responsible for statutory tests and inspections and the engineers who do you pressure vessel ionspections will be ATEX certified. If your client is not swiss, then forget I said anything
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