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#1 Posted : 18 March 2005 08:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Billy Irving There was an incident on site where one of the the six chains that forms part of a spreader beam set up failed (due to previous damage) as the weight was taken up by the crane. There was no damage to the crane or the container, No personnel were hurt as the container never left the ground. Does the group think this is a RIDDOR reportable incdent. regards Billy
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#2 Posted : 18 March 2005 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephanie Having had a quick look at the F2508 guidance notes, I would say yes, you should report it as a dangerous occurrence. Under Schedule 2 of the Regs, you should report the following as a dangerous occurrence, "the collapse of, the overturning of, or the failure of any load bearing part of any; a) lift or hoist; b) crane or derrick; c) mobile powered access platform; d) access crane or window cleaning crane; e) excavator; f) pile driving frame or rig having an overall height, when operating, of more than 7 metres; g) fork lift truck". Hope this helps, Steph
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#3 Posted : 18 March 2005 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Iain W Yep, failure of lifting equipment is a dangerous occurence under RIDDOR and as such is reportable
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#4 Posted : 18 March 2005 23:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie Setting aside the need for a thorough internal investigation, which is obviously needed. I do not believe that failure of chains as you describe is reportable under RIDDOR. I am prepared to stand corrected but they are "accessories" and as such their failure is not a prescribed event requiring notification to the HSE.
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#5 Posted : 19 March 2005 00:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd LIFTING OPERATIONS AND LIFTING EQUIPMENT REGULATIONS 1998 There would seem to have been a clear breach of the above regulations. "due to previous damage" would definitely indicate a failure to examine the equipment sufficiently. As such, given the clear danger that failure of the chain would have presented had it failed during a lift, and the fact that the equipment being used was faulty before the lift, and that use of the equipment was a breach of regulations, I consider it a reportable incident.
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#6 Posted : 19 March 2005 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd I am thinking no here, that it is not reportable. My reasoning being that the spreader beam is a lifting accessory, not part of the crane itself. Comments? Regards, Karen
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#7 Posted : 19 March 2005 20:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Billy I agree with Karen. Would you report the failure of chain brothers or a sling? A lifting/spreader beam is not an integral part of the items quoted earlier. I would, as I suspect you will, treat it just as seriously - consider discussing your findings with your local inspector to ensure that you have missed nothing. At the same time you are demonstrating that you are on top of things. Bill
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#8 Posted : 21 March 2005 10:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Iain W The HSE produce a leaflet called "RIDDOR explained", it gives examples of what are categorised as dangerous occurences. A spreader beam when it makes up part of a lifting arrangement is a load bearing component, the shackles, and chain slings / wire slings or whatever are load bearing. RIDDOR states " failure of any load bearing parts of lifts or lifting equipment" Lifing equipment comprises both lifting accessories and lifting appliances If this is not reportable, then say for instance the spreader beam failed would it be considered non reportable ? The other significant point highlighted was that it failed due to previous damage, thorough examination and inspection is a requirement under LOLER regulation 9. It would appear that this was not properly conducted and managed pointing to a flaw somewhere in the safe system of work. Nothing happened this time, might not be so lucky next time unless recommendations are put into place and followed up. I still think reportable others may of course disagree
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#9 Posted : 24 March 2005 08:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Billy Irving Thank you all for your responses. I have had the same debate within the company and indeed with the HSE advice line when I phoned them. They decided after a bit of debate that in this case it was considered reportable, But it appears to be a bit of grey area. Cheers Billy
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