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Posted By Robert S Woods
How much diesel can you store without requiring a licence.
Can anyone provide any other relevant info?
Thanks in advance
Bob
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Posted By Heather Aston
I could be wrong here - we only keep 45 gallon drum for diesel sprinker pumps on most sites - but why would you need a licence at all?
Even storing petroleum spirit - which diesel is not - doesn't need a petroleum licence any more unless you are a petrol station.
Heather
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Posted By Robert S Woods
Just the sort of info I'm looking for.
It's my understanding that no more that 50 litres of highly inflamable liquid can be stored on site unless it is in an approved store with a licence from the Fire Brigade. I would appreciate any further info.
Bob
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Posted By DavidHaddon
The new regs apply to businesses storing 200Lt or more.
Search for PPG2 on the Env Agency website or read SHP this month for a few pointers.
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Posted By Heather Aston
Bob
We're now talking about three different things at once, so bear with me and I will explain why - as I said - you do not need a licence.
Once upon a time there was a nonsense regime, which meant you needed a licence to store "petroleum spirit" whether in tanks or containers. This applied even if all you dd was store toluene in 25 litre drums (as we did). It was under the old Petroleum Consolidation Act and involved applying for a Petroleum Licence. In latter days it was regulated by Trading Standards, which was fun!
Any other type of Hi-flam (note that diesel IS NOT hi flam - its flash point is too high) was covered by the highly flammable liquids regs, which among other things said that you were not supposed to store more than 50 litres in any workroom - there's your 50l figure. It did not require a licence, so you could store, for example, MEK in bulk and have no licence.
Common sense finally prevailed and the whole lot was replaced by DSEAR - no licences required and risk assessment-based. A petroleum licence is still required for bulk storage of fuels for dispensing into motor vehicles - i.e. garages. All other petroleum licences have lapsed as they ran out and have been replaced by DSEAR assessments.
Now, the "new regs" which the previous poster refers to aren't new at all. They are the Control of Pollution (Oil Storage) Regs 2001 and their last section comes into force in September this year. This relates to the storage of oil (including diesel and petrol) in containers of 200l (45 gall) or more and it is mainly involved with the adequacy of bunding and/or bulk tanks to prevent leaks. They DO NOT require licensing. Frankly, anyone storing oil unbunded in the 21st century wants shooting anyway!
I seem to have gone on a bit here, but I hope that helps!
Heather
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Posted By Robert S Woods
Heather you are a star, clear concise info. A comodity sometimes in short supply on this forum.
Can you tell me where I can purchase a gun for the purpose of shooting people with unbunded tanks?
Paul Craythore kindly sent some very useful Environment Agency info on bunding.
Bob
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Bob,
As long as you realise you WILL need a licence for the gun!
Just to reiterate the EA website is fantastic for guidance notes on bunding etc.
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Posted By Robert S Woods
Jonathan,
Apparently not if I lure them to Nottingham.
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Posted By Heather Aston
Bob
I suggest a bright yellow supersoaker water pistol. No licence required and much more fun.
Heather
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Posted By Robert S Woods
And squirt them with diesel?
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Yeah, but only if they're in a bund!
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Posted By Heather Aston
And then only if they contain more than 200 litres.....
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
And the bund can contain 10% more than the quantity of diesel squirted...
Oh, and you've done your risk assessment...
And implemented the findings...
Which may include substitution with a less hazardous alternative...
Such as water.
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Posted By Michelle Wilson
On a similar subject, we have a double-skinned 5,000 litre fuel-oil tank that has external pipework, valves etc that'll need to be enclosd within bunding before the September deadline for the last part of the Oil Storage Regulations.
Anyone got any recommendations for enclosing the peripherals - or are we better to just replace the whole thing for a tank with integral dispensing pump?
Any suggestions welcome.
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Posted By Heather Aston
Michelle
I assume it has some bunding already so we won't have to shoot you?
Seriously though if you haven't looked at the EA site as suggested above try http://www.environment-a...t=&searchfor=oil+storage and follow the link to PPG 02. (or just go to the home pafe and search for PPG02) It has clear,concise information and good diagrams. Note it's not a requirement to bund all pipework - the guidance note makes it clear what's required.
I would have thought that if you really need to store that much fuel oil (heating?) then it would be cheaper to bund properly than to replace the tank?
Heather
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Michelle,
At the last place, when faced with the guidance, we went for the replacement option fitted with a pump & integral dispenser.
But that was because the old tank required major work to comply and staff kept pranging the old breezeblock bund with the fork truck.
Oh and there was a brook situated within 5 metres.
Only you know what what your on site conditions are like.
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