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#1 Posted : 14 April 2005 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Oxley We are in the process of considering sending work out to a supplier. The supplier in question does not have machinery of his own to manufacture the parts we require, therefore we are thinking of either lending or selling them our machines to do the work or asking them to purchase the equipment as new. Could anyone please offer advice as to which scenario offers least difficulties all round with compliance to supply of machinery regs etc.
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#2 Posted : 14 April 2005 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger Look on the HSE website, in the free leaflets/pulications section under either 'E' for Engineering or 'M' for Machinery. There are a couple of free leaflets outlining your duties under the Supply of Machinery Regulations.
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#3 Posted : 14 April 2005 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC If you sell your 'partner' company a machine specially made. I'm sure you will have to consider CE marking. This is not a complicated add-on to the compliance regs, but to avoid it - lending may be a way around it. If you have to go down the CE marking route - do-it-yourself. Consultants charge a fortune for what is a fairly simple exercise. Good luck
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#4 Posted : 14 April 2005 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston Nick Least difficult option all round (but not the cheapest!) - get them to buy new machines from a reputable supplier who understands the Supply Regs. Machines will be CE marked, have declarations of conformity, technical files and will (hopefully) actually be safe. You have no responsibility for the machine safety as you are not involved. Other options. 1. Sell them your machines. They would be second hand so would not require CE marking (if they were bought in the last ten years, they should have it anyway). However you obviously have a duty to make sure they are safe. You must also provide any necessary documentation to enable them to operate and maintain the machines safely. 2. Lend them your machines. Needs a carefully worded contract to say who's responsible for what. You are likely to still be regarded as "supplying" the machines even if no money changes hands. After all if you hire a machine from a plant hire company - don't you expect it to be safe and come with the correct safety equipment? Only advantage of this option - you get the machines back afterwards. Re the previous comment on doing your own CE marking. It is worth noting that there are certain types of machines (so-called Annex D machines) where you cannot do this yourself. I know this because unfortunately rubber injection moulding machines are included - it is EXPENSIVE to have them certified externally. Otherwise if not Annex D I would agree do it yourself. But as I said above CE marking is not relevant in this case as the machines are not being supplied as new within the EC. Heather
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#5 Posted : 19 April 2005 21:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Read Puwer Reg 10, also the SUPPLY OF MACHINERY SAFETY REGULATIONS 1992. IF THE EQUIPMENT IS POST DECEMBER 1994 then Puwer will tell you what you need to do.
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#6 Posted : 19 April 2005 23:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Surely a 'home made' machine for internal use does not require CE certification? Isn't the case that it is only if you are selling the machines to third parties - you need to think about CE. The other regs obviously apply for internal use.
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#7 Posted : 20 April 2005 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger Even machines made internally still need CE marking, they are still being 'supplied' hence the Supply of Machinery Reg 1996 apply. CE Marking, the machine must satisfy the Essential Health & Safety Requirements etc, and have the various Declaration/Certificates issued. Alo if they are Annex D (if I remember correctly, could be Annex E) they need type approval by an authorising body, approvied by the DTI
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#8 Posted : 20 April 2005 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi There is useful information on the DTI website. Product standards - Machinery - Guidance notes on the UK Regulations http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/mps.pdf Product standards - Machinery - Frequently Asked Questions - DTI View http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/mfaq0498.pdf Product standards - Machinery - Transposed Harmonised Standards http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/mths0504.pdf Product standards - Machinery - UK Approved Bodies http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/mukb0204.pdf Product standards - Machinery - Independent Sources of Advice http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/misa0304.pdf Jay
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