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#1 Posted : 26 April 2005 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By artisdeeian
What advise would you give on Asbestos garage removal?
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#2 Posted : 26 April 2005 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Assuming just asbestos roof sheeting?

Relatively lower risk.

Spray down with water to minimise dust generation.

Assuming the sheets are bolted on, remove sheets by cutting through the bolts.

Don't break or saw or smash the sheets.

Lift off the sheets and lower to the ground, then double wrap in polythene sheets and seal.

Dispose of the sheets at an authorised asbestos waste disposal site - not in a farmers hedge.

Also remember about suitable access to minimise risk of falls etc - don't walk on the sheeting. Being a domestic garage, I would have thought you could work from underneath off step ladders etc.
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#3 Posted : 26 April 2005 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephen D. Clarke
Hi,
If you can transport the sheets to your local public amenity site they should have an asbestos skip and disposal is free.
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#4 Posted : 26 April 2005 15:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope
You need to ensure that all of the material is hard and dense which would indicate that it is asbestos cement that was used in the construction of the garage.

Often the dismantling is done wet, then the sheets dry out. Dilute PVA inside and outside is a better guarantee that no fibres will be disturbed. Also when you walk into the sealed council skip wear an FFP2 mask, there is likely to be a lot of loose debris that will easily blow about.
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#5 Posted : 27 April 2005 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Just a note to Roger the Dodger

How would you propose cutting the bolts? - would this have to be with an angle grinder. If so, would this cut into the asbestos cement and spray fine asbestos dust into the air?
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#6 Posted : 27 April 2005 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Bolt croppers or hand hacksaw or possibly unbolt them by hand, if the nuts are not corroded onto the bolts.

I would see this as very low risk asbestos work.

Cement sheet has low asbestos content in the first place, the work area should be well ventilated & operative could wear suitable PPE/fac mask.
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#7 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By NIGEL REE
I am concerned with some of the reply's, obviously the first step is a sampling survey to assertain what type of asbestos you are dealing with, I have surveyed a 'compton' type garage and found it to contain CROCIDOLITE in the roofing sheets, so please proceed with caution. After proper analysis then proceed to conform with the CAWR 2002. above all else keep asking questions. If you require any further help please e-mail me on nigel396@aol.com.
Kind Regards
Nigel
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#8 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By NIGEL REE
Just an adendum to my last posting the mask should be FFP3, please check gents before ofering advice.
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#9 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
If this really is just a domestic job - CAW won't apply.
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#10 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By A Cathro
Hi
The Asbestos Essentials task manual HSG210 contains a range of task, equipment and method guidance which you may find useful. It includes removal of asbestos cement sheets.
Andy
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#11 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Forgot to add to my last post - reallt can't see a domestic house holder paying for sampling to determine the exact type of asbestos.

Given that asbestos ill health effects is mainly a time and dose/exposure based risk, don't see taking one small garage roof off as a major risk in life.

If this is the only time in their lives that a domestic resident takes an asbestos roof off their garage, I would conclude that the risk are pretty low regardless of the asbestos type.

What happenend to a risk based response/system of work?

If actually working on the roof, falling is a far higher risk than the asbestos - but as one of my earlier postings if only a domestic garage, this might not be necessary.
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#12 Posted : 27 April 2005 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By NIGEL REE
All exposure to asbestos is a risk. Removal of all but low concentrations of Chrysotile asbestos cement etc is controlled by the hse and onlt licensed contractors can work on this material.
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#13 Posted : 27 April 2005 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
No-one's said it yet - if it's in good condition and you've otherwise no plans to remove it, don't! As responses say, this is a very low risk material.
Your real problem will be finding someone to uplift your carefully wrapped sheets without breaking the bank! Local Authorities generally won't be any help.
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#14 Posted : 27 April 2005 13:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roger the Dodger
Sure all asbestos is a risk - but than again so is all driving, all working at height etc

In a true domestic situation i.e. no one is at 'work' or money changing hands etc can't see the HSE getting involved or enforcing licences etc.

Asbestos is a problem - but how much of a problem in this situation, if the precautions outlined are taken?? Risk opinion and perception I feel....

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#15 Posted : 27 April 2005 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Lee
Domestic garage, no work activity, therefore HASAWA and CAWR do not apply.
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#16 Posted : 27 April 2005 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
The original post didn't identify him/herself as a domestic householder - may well be a contractor looking for advice!
If you are a contractor, you don't have to be licensed to work on asbestos cement.
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#17 Posted : 27 April 2005 14:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Hi
Our local council tip will take domestic asbestos but not commercial. The way they explained this to me was..
"Will you be arriving with it in a car?"
"er Why?"
"we can take it in a car, but not from a van"
"er why's that then?"
"because if its in your in a van, you must be a business, and we don't accept ACM's from a business."
So parcel it up, as descibed earlier and drop it off from your car, whilst impersonating a DIYer.
Linda
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#18 Posted : 27 April 2005 14:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By PaulA
Linda.... I always do try to impersonate a DIYer to alleviate the tipping costs, but sadly my bottom is always visible out of the back of my jeans... any suggestions. ;-)
Paul.
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