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#1 Posted : 29 April 2005 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoê I'm slightly rushed to find an answer to this and so while I'm looking I'll see if some bright spark out there knows the answer and can put me out of my ignorance. Do you think Jimmy Jibs/Camera cranes for just mounting the camera (no person) would come under statutory inspection and have to undergo thorough examination. One minute I think yes as it's going to be swinging over large numbers of people etc. and so safety is somewhat dependant on where the jib is deployed. Then I think nah, it's cant be, hmmm I'd appreciate your thoughts. Cheers, Zoe
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#2 Posted : 29 April 2005 15:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Zoe, have you tried the HSE's telephone help line? They were very helpful when I had a similar query about certain types of hospital bed and examination chairs
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#3 Posted : 29 April 2005 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoê Cheers John. Not sure about anyone else but I've often found the HSE infoline wooly, as in if you ask a specific technical question they come back with a generic responce that you already knew, but maybe that's all they're meant to do, not being critical or anything that's just been my past experience. Will drop em a line anyway :)
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#4 Posted : 29 April 2005 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoê I just gave HSE Infoline a call and their response "That's not an example given in the regulations" - this I already know as I told her I'd read through LOLER prior to calling. I think the HSE Infoline are great for SMEs who don't have a H&S person of their own. They then advised I ring my LA, which is fair enough :\
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#5 Posted : 29 April 2005 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis If not under LOLER then will under PUWER so you pays your money and takes your pick. The advantage of PUWER is that you have a degree of freedom to define the precise terms of any test and inspections required. The manufacturers should be of help here. Bob
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#6 Posted : 29 April 2005 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Lawrence Hi Zoe, We use Jimmy Jibs and Cranes in the Broadcasting/Film industry. Deployment is a significant point and safe access for safe working. We ensure that all our operators are competent to operate such equipment and as you said over audiences and large crowds - what ever the venue. Its just like any equipment under PUWER and LOLER amd the support stays are significant to this as well as the operator fitting and setting it up. These crews are highly skilled. There has been an incident when someone has been knocked seroiusly and it is not the normal activity you would generally come across generally. If you need any further enqueries I'm happy to be contacted directly.
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#7 Posted : 29 April 2005 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zoê Thanks for the help and emails lads.
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#8 Posted : 29 April 2005 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Talbot I would hedge toward PUWER. LOLER implies lifting something descreet [separate] from the equipment used. Once the camera is fitted to the Jimmy, it could be seen as part of the Jimmy - but we are getting into greyness. The checks will be almost identical, but as the previous poster said, you have more discretion over periods. You should not avoid a thorough inspection just because it is an odd case though - you have identified a significant risk [camera over audience] and you should mitigate it.
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#9 Posted : 29 April 2005 18:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Laurie Zoe I have found the HSE Helpline of only limited value to a professional, as all they seem to be able to do is is quote the relevant regulations, which most of us have already studied and found wanting - that is why we ring the helpline! Far better if you can find yourself a tame inspector Laurie
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