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#1 Posted : 10 May 2005 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By el nino El Nino has not had much experience with the claims process following an injury but would like to ask the gang a question. A "person" has an accident. Their solicitor states after a few months that they intend to process a claim but no action is taken. Action ( serving of papers ) is finally taken after 3 years and 3 months. El Nino's solicitor has stated that the extra 3 months is allowed and the claim will progress via the courts. Has anyone else come across this flexible approach to the 3 year rule - is it common? Also, what is the dress code for court? I have been warned that fancy dress is not generally a good idea? El Nino
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#2 Posted : 10 May 2005 17:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter El nino I think fancy dress is a great idea; after all, the judge and barristers do it! Paul
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#3 Posted : 11 May 2005 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Just don't turn up wearing a stripey jumper a black eye mask carrying a hessian bag marked 'swag'. That kind of get up is sooo last century, John
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#4 Posted : 11 May 2005 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston El Nino I regret to say the slight flexibility on the 3 year rule is not uncommon. However just because proceedings have been issued (I assume that's what you mean by "papers") doesn't mean it will go to court. About 25% of the claims we get have proceedings issued (usually just to keep them going) and only 1 has actually come to court in the four years I've been dealing with them. Mostly they get settled out of court. Presumably you have not admitted liability at this stage. In the unlikely event that you get as far as court I suggest a suit. Heather
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#5 Posted : 11 May 2005 17:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By el nino Heather How many claims do you get a year and how big is your workforce? El Nino's boss does not believe in settling claims, hence most claims and threats of claims seem to disappear. I may go half way in the wardrobe department. Perhaps a nice suit with a twirling bowtie and squirty flower? El Nino
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#6 Posted : 11 May 2005 18:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd Maybe someone who is legally qualified can explain this better. My understanding is that a solicitor can create a protective writ, which can keep the case alive a further 12 months, but I think they have to then issue the writ within that 12 months. Dress code? Conservative. Black/navy suit. Read somewhere that women should wear a skirt - but b****cks to that, I wear black/navy trouser suits and on one occasion got mistaken for a solicitor. Sounds bad, but since I was representing myself against the taxman (and won) I think it was good. Karen
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#7 Posted : 11 May 2005 20:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper El Nino I tend to leave it to our insurers, as they are the ones that will pay up at the end of the day. usually they settle as it is cheaper than a barrister, unless the injuries are severe or you can prove contributory negligence (100% if you can). We do win an odd one now and again, but I have given up worrying about it. The key is to work at preventing the accident in the first place then no one will have cause to make a claim.
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#8 Posted : 12 May 2005 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston El Nino We have a workforce of 700 in the UK. I'd rather not say how many claims, but let's face it, 1 is too many. The higher proportion of most "medium sized" claims is in solicitors costs (the claimant's solicitor that is) which are minimised by early settlement, so I am careful to choose which ones I should fight and which ones to admit liability early and settle. As the burden of proof in civil claims is on "balance of probabilities" it is not easy to defend most claims where the claimant can show an accident has actually occurred. However if I feel we have good evidence in our favour, we will do so. Quite a few do give up and go away if you stick to your guns, even after proceedings have been issued. You must take each claim on its merits and a "we don't believe in settling" attitude will cost you money in the long run. BTW for whoever said your insurer pays - we are self-insured for EL - like lots of companies these days! Heather
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#9 Posted : 12 May 2005 14:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Some of our managers take claims quite personally (workforce of c 2,500 in service provision so MOPs claim as well), I point out the 'balance of probabilities' and apportionment of damages stuff to them, but they don't like it at all. As long as we don't get prosecuted I'll be happy, civil claims I can stand, John
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#10 Posted : 12 May 2005 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By el nino Heather Thanks - some interesting comments. The to settle or not to settle issue is one on which I am in two minds about ( at least! ). I guess your approach is the most sensible - treat every claim on its own merits. Does anyone else out there have a strict "no settlement" policy in place? Does it work, are people less likely to make anything but "genuine" claims? El Nino
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#11 Posted : 12 May 2005 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh What does your Solicitor say about the 3 years 3 months? (I assume you are an employee of the defendant or tare the defendant).
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#12 Posted : 12 May 2005 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By el nino Garyh He pretty much took it as the standard way of things- it was just news to me in my innocence. El Nino
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#13 Posted : 12 May 2005 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston El Nino To succeed in a civil claim the employee has to prove: a) that you (his employer) were in breach of your duty of care to him/her (or in breach of a statutory duty) b) That the employee has suffered injury of loss as a result of that breach. If it is your word against his, on the balance of probabilities the judge will (in my experience) believe the employee. Here's an example. Employee slips on wet floor and hurts his back. Unless he has just deliberately spilt the water there himself (!) you have no defence. You are in breach of your duty of care to provide a safe place of work. Admit liability pronto and keep costs low - you will hate doing this but believe me it's the best way. If you don't, the employee's solicitor will rub his hands in glee, get expensive medical reports, get expert opinions, get investigators, (and possibly your insurers will insist you settle six months down the line anyway) win in court and send you a huge fat costs bill complete with success fee. It's not unusual for a claim settled for £1500 to run up £5000 worth of solicitors costs. The trick is to pick out the dubious claims where the employee can't really prove they did the injury at work, or where they haven't followed company procedure in reporting say an ULD problem and defend those. This DOES deter others from making spurious claims. Refusing to settle does not - after all it doesn't cost the employee anything to make a claim if you are in a unionised workplace so what have they got to lose? I'd skip the twirling bow tie and go for something in a normal tie with sober stripes if I were you (and if I wore ties). Heather
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#14 Posted : 12 May 2005 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By el nino Heather No to the bowtie then? Shame - El Nino was looking forward to that. El Nino
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