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#1 Posted : 11 May 2005 14:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By j daly To start this thread can I say good luck to all those leaving our armed forces trying to find work in civvy street. Increasingly on the careers website there are people leaving the armed forces with the NEBOSH certificate and applying for jobs in full time health and safety. Nothing wrong with that. But how is health and safety being marketed to them in their resettlement package. Are they being told it is easy to get into ,just get the certificate and the worlds your oyster. If this is the case then it should be reviewed and those leaving the armed forces given an unbiased view of the real world of Health and Safety. Usually certificate holders get the least well paid jobs due to lack of experience. Are they told this? Often employers look for better qualifications and often corporate membership of IOSH which can be years down the line and a lot of hard work .Are they told this? If they are informed of the difficulties in getting on the Health and Safety ladder then I apologise to the people dealing with resettlement .If it is the case I outlined earlier and they are led to believe it is easy to get into safety then it is wrong. Does anybody else share my views or does it just look like there are lots of postings from "ex armed forces"
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#2 Posted : 11 May 2005 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert (Rod) Douglas I did my NEBOSH Certificate in 2001 prior to completing my 22 years Colour Service in the Army. I can inform everyone that you are not told that by passing your NEBOSH Certificate that the world is your oyster, or at least I or any of my colleagues that were on my course. You are informed that is hard graft to get your foot on the Health & Safety ladder and the Certificate is the first "Run" on the ladder. However what you will find with personnel leaving the Armed Forces after 22 years or even 15 years that they will have an enormous wealth of "Hands On" safety experience. What you will get from someone who has been in the Forces for many years that they are committed to Personal Development and continualy strive to improve. I am now proud to say that last year I achieved MIOSH & MIIRSM status and I am continualy looking for ways to Develop. Aye, Rod D
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#3 Posted : 11 May 2005 15:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By DW Completely agree with you Rod. It does seem that some potential employers find the disciplined background a good basis. Also the numerous emergency, security and safety procedures carried out on a daily basis of the career. I don't know many civilians who have had to deal with a fire drill at 2am! Then possibly a flood exercise 4 hours later!! (ah OST!) Maybe it's the ability to perform in a time of crisis that appeals. Yours Aye DW
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#4 Posted : 11 May 2005 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By j daly Thanks for the response lads .If as you say all are fully informed then I apologise to those dealing with resettlement and hope you both have good long careers in H &S
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#5 Posted : 11 May 2005 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By DW Thank you Just to correct you though its lass not lad.
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#6 Posted : 11 May 2005 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert (Rod) Douglas DW, Now I know when I was at Senior Brecon it was not a Battle Appreciation it was a Dynamic Risk Assessment........... What Service or Unit did you serve with? Aye, Rod D
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#7 Posted : 11 May 2005 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By DW Rod, I was a sailoress and served on HMS Sheffield, HMS Exeter and HMS Endurance. I spent the last few years to-ing and fro-ing from UK - Antarctic. DW
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#8 Posted : 11 May 2005 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert (Rod) Douglas DW, Sod that for a game of soldiers, give me dry land any day.... Aye Rod
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#9 Posted : 11 May 2005 16:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Young Nobody ever said it was going to be easy and we should not expect an easy ride when we leave. I was probably one of the first to leave the services and take this road way back in 1989. As was in the services, you start at the bottom and work your way up. As somebody else pointed out, we take on the will to win and persist in being the best at what we do. Through hard work, CPD and finding a good empoyer, an important criteria, I'm doing ok as are many others. Having said all that, I never found the resetlement people to be that good. I only hope things have changed. Aye JRHY
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#10 Posted : 11 May 2005 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clive Lowery John, have to agree with the above respondees. I left the Army in Nov 2003 having gained my NGC and was working towards the Construction Cert. It was explained by my course provider based in Carlisle, that the only way to get on was through hard work and determination. Years of experience, a variety of appointments and who I knew within the forces got me my first job as a contracts manager, I then managed to "sell myself" well enough to get my next job as a Health & Safety Manager with a construction company when the contract expired 4 months later. Still only on my second job and enjoying it. Working towards the NEBOSH Dip 4 with company sponsorship so must be doing something right or damn lucky! Can't say that I ever thought or was advised it would be easy though. With regards to the resettlement advisors I found that they were little more than useless in my chosen career change. Nearly all the advice and info I have gleaned came from the course provider or from this website and other H&S professionals.
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#11 Posted : 11 May 2005 21:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim I am just about to leave, I did my general cert a couple of years ago having done some research, i then completed the construction cert and am now on the level 4 dip and have just got my first job, and yes it has been hard work. I can say, is that after speaking to a number of forces resettlement people i came to the conclusion that they didn't understand the market or the qualification structure at all. The sad thing is that they are getting paid a fair bit of money for it. The new ELC scheme will mean that more and more service leavers will be leaving with dip2/dip L4 instead of the general cert.
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#12 Posted : 12 May 2005 08:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By DW I agree with all the responses about the ressetlement not really knowing the market. The only pro of using them I found was that they do give you the confidence to get on. Clive, was that woodward in Carlisle? DW
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