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#1 Posted : 16 May 2005 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Francis MSc MIOSH RSP Hi all, I am looking at revamping our safety policies- eg on lone working... - anyone any suggestions on "best practice" as to the headings that I should be including IN GENERAL?- eg what laws involved, who it will effect etc... Thanks
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#2 Posted : 16 May 2005 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Mulholland with respect Francis - how have you achieved RSP status and not be aware of the contents of a general policy?
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#3 Posted : 16 May 2005 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Francis, To my way of thinking best practice is going to vary from company to company. For example here we intend Policy to mean a short statement on the organisations aims and objectives, preceded by something which ties it into the organisation's overall objectives. So for example, for Lone working we might say that 'Sue Ryder Care aims to safeguard the health etc etc etc', and then run on to say that procedures will be in place to control risks from lone working, with a short definition of the hazard(s) being addressed. Duty holders would be next, with a very brief statement of respective duties; then a short piece on how it ties in to other policies, and then the laws would come as references. the whole might be 2 pages of A4. The arrangements are issued as advice and guidance for use by duty holders. Whether this is best practice or not I don't know, but I like it as it means that you can read our policy on any given H&S objective in two minutes, and if you have a need to know how we aim to achieve the policy objectives you can find out, but if you don't you aren't presented with a thirty page tome covering every eventuality, John
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#4 Posted : 16 May 2005 21:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Re: Study in the Study Forum I rest my case. TBC
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#5 Posted : 17 May 2005 13:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By D. Hilton Truly unbelievable
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#6 Posted : 17 May 2005 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt IOSH - I hope this is a joke and I've been had. If it's not, should we really be advertising this sort of message? However, I'm always happy to offer a consultancy service to help fellow 'professionals' who find themselves in a tight spot like devising a H&S Policy.
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#7 Posted : 17 May 2005 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver Why don't you look at your CPD folder and use some of the information / evidence you have amassed within it, in order to gain RSP. :-) This is definitely a Wind Up
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#8 Posted : 17 May 2005 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nicola Mason The reply email is a birmingham.gov.uk, I was going for the definate wind up theory until I clicked on reply and made my discovery. On a more helpful note the HSE website is a good starter for information required.
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#9 Posted : 17 May 2005 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker He exists - I have met him. And he is what he says he is. I am sort of hoping someone has stolen his "name" as I have seen several postings recently I could not believe he was making.
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#10 Posted : 17 May 2005 17:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin R. Bessant The Moderating Team has investigated the request to this thread and can assure people that it is a genuine request for assistance. You are reminded that the IOSH Code of Conduct requires all members to be aware of their own competencies and it is not unreasonable for members who are MIOSH and RSP to have areas which are not their core areas of knowledge. I would therefore ask all contributors to be aware that it is perfectly reasonable to ask for assistance in an area for which individuals have little information. Martin Bessant - Lead Moderator.
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#11 Posted : 17 May 2005 17:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fran Holt nothing wrong with throwing it to the floor for new ideas
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#12 Posted : 17 May 2005 17:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston Folks I think the problem is that some of us have not RTFQ. Francis isn't (IMHO) asking what the contents of a policy should be (although I agree that the title of the thread is misleading) he's asking what general headings people use in devising the safety arrangements that go along with their main policy. Well, at least that's what I think he's asking - I could be wrong. I can't improve on John's answer which does indeed answer the question that I think Francis has asked - not the one you all think he has (and I can understand the reaction of those who think the latter). Francis - our arrangements are very similar in structure to John's - I agree it is good to refer to legislation & guidance and also to reference other company safe working practices, work instructions and so on that might be relevant. We also clearly state the scope of the arrangement at the beginning so that it is clear exactly what it covers. Hope this helps Heather
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#13 Posted : 17 May 2005 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney My original retort was removed, the email I received from the mods suggested I had made a personal attack, this was not the case and if I caused offence to the thread poster then I apologise, however; I wish it had been posted on April 1st, the joke may well have been on the responders, as it wasn't......... I still remain.... confused. Charles
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#14 Posted : 17 May 2005 20:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kathy Smith Hi You might want to have a look at the health, safety and risk policy framework documents posted on the ambulance service association website as these set out the key headings quite clearly. The web address is www.asa.uk.net - look for the health, safety & risk page and then look for publications. There are model policy frameworks for manual handling, violence and aggression, infection control, however the key headings should fit any other type of policy. Kathy
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#15 Posted : 17 May 2005 20:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Geoff Burt Hi Charley, if it's any consolation I read your posting and I didn't see anything offensive in it. Moderators, could you advise when your rules changed. I was told by Arran not more that 3 months ago that single messages were not removed - it was the whole thread or nothing?
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#16 Posted : 17 May 2005 20:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Aston The acceptable use guidelines say that "a message" may be removed, so I suggest the rules have not changed but the previous interpretation was in error. I didn't consider Charley's post offensive either, but then that's up to the Mods to decide I suppose. Heather
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#17 Posted : 17 May 2005 23:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack I think some of you are being a trifle hard on Francis and as Heather said have misinterpreted the question. Go to virtually any organisation and look at the policy and you will find some of the most turgid stuff you've ever read (and I'm not excluding my organisation). You'd never believe the writer had any intention of communicating anything to employees. Most of this must surely have been written by RSPs. Francis should be congratulated for asking his peers about 'best practice'. He has surely recognised that the standard stuff we all churn out is not working and is looking for inspiration. His reference to 'what laws etc' does though make me fear he's not going to be very radical.
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#18 Posted : 18 May 2005 09:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Francis MSc MIOSH RSP Just to reassure people- yes I do know what normally goes into a Policy- but I have been asked to look at reviewing them all taking into account best practice. For the constructive comments- thank you, for the others- can I just say I'm glad that so many are keen to keep IOSH's standards high. Francis
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#19 Posted : 20 May 2005 19:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Oliver HURRAH!
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