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#1 Posted : 07 June 2005 10:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Black I have a two-fold question which will take a little time to explain, so please bear with me. My employers are required to send engineers out to carry out surveys and inspections on high speed roads. We do not have a dedicated vehicle for inspections, employees are asked to use a pool car or their own vehicle. The highways agency, scottish exec, ACPO, along with several others published a good practice guide last year detailing the kind, but not colour, of markings that should be place on the back of vehicles i.e class 1/microprismatic reflective markings. One of our senior engineers maintains that said markings should be red & white/silver chevrons and i have been trying to source these. None of our regular suppliers are aware of red&white on the back of a vehicle and enquiries with other companies and the local police has drawn a blank. One supplier even said such markings might be illegal, however our engineer is adamant. Question 1 does anyone know if the red/white marking is appropriate? Question 2 Do you know a supplier who can provide said markings on a magnetic strip? Incidentally, I am aware that some vehicles have a plastic tailgate which negates magnetic strips, i can find a contingency to cover this once I am sure of the right markings to apply. Thanks in anticipation Chris Black
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#2 Posted : 07 June 2005 13:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric Taylor If your Engineer is so certain, ask him what the requirement is. if he can't come up with one, I would suggest you sdvise him to wind his neck in. If you do find there is a specific requirement most Motor Factors or Signwriters can supply the reflective material. it comes on rolls for marking various vehicles. The signwriters do Police Vehicles so your requirement should be easy enough for them. Failing that, look up 3M on the internet as they supply most of it.
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#3 Posted : 07 June 2005 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Black Thanks Eric You were spot on with the "wind his neck in" advice. He is one of these guys who will spout nonsense at a management meeting, causing panic amongst his colleagues and heaping the brown stuff at my door. This post was a last check to see if there is anything out there before using the appropriate red/yellow tape to shut him up (incidentally he's standing with his back to me now, a "wide load" sign might be appropriate and i've just thought of a cracking place for a 360 degree flashing lightbar). Many thanks Chris
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#4 Posted : 08 June 2005 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Gray Chris Your colleague may have got the information from the work done by Police Scientific Development Branch (PSDB) and ICE Ergonomics. This is mentioned in BSI PAS 43 Safe Working of vehicle breakdown and recovery operators - Management sustem specifications Annex A. If you want further info give me a ring. 01242 276411 Martin
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#5 Posted : 08 June 2005 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Renny Thomson I think the markings are those referred to in here EU Regulation UN ECE104
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#6 Posted : 08 June 2005 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r Chris Veering slightly away from your question, my uncle used to have a signwriting company and when I got him to do signs for me a couple of years ago for works vans, he strongly advised me against magnetic stickers. The problems being that he had produced loads for the police and got nothing but complaints, as follows: 1. They don't last long (apparently you have to store them flat when not in use, so obviously this doesn't always happen). 2. They scratch paintwork (apparently true if you apply them to anything but pristine paintwork, the grit already on the vehicle will cause scratches. Also if you keep the sign in the back of the van/boot it will pick up grit there and transfer it to the vehicle. You might have problems with people claiming for damaged paintwork if it's their own private vehicle). 3. They don't stay on (if you drive around with them, they can rip off at high speed, if the air can get under them. Also, if you park overnight with them on, most teenagers in most areas worth their salt will releive the vehicle of the sign on their way back from the pub).
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