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Posted By P Wright
Although indg 36 - Working with VDUs advises that employers need to look at any special needs of individual staff, I have come up against a problem where an employer is refusing to provide a chair that a (disabled) member of staff is physically capable of adjusting for themselves in order to use a VDU comfortably. This is a hot-desking, shift environment where at least 20 different people could use the terminal in one month. Although the chairs supplied meet the minimum reqs. of the DSE regs., this particular person is neither tall enough nor heavy enough to adjust it. The employer reckons they have done enough by providing a chair that suits most people - I disagree. Could anyone suggest areas I could look towards for further guidance other than the DSE Regs?
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Posted By duncan abbott
What type of disability does the person have? If the worker comes under the Disability Discrimination Act then the employer has a duty to make a reasonable adjustment and a chair in this instance may well be appropriate. The fact of hot desking is irrelevant.
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Posted By P Wright
Duncan,
Further to your post - the person has a permanent left-sided weakness, which affects considerably their walking and steadiness on their feet. The person uses a stick. The disability is relevant in so much as the person needs the chair at the right height to stand up again. If its too low or too high, they struggle to regain their balance when standing. At the start of the shift a colleague often has to be asked to sit on the chair first to adjust it to a suitable level. Thanks for your replies.
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Posted By Neil Pearson
In order to comply with Reg 3 of the DSE Regs, "the work chair shall be stable and allow the operator or user easy freedom of movement and a comfortable position". This refers to "the operator", not to "the average operator". If the actual operator (whoever it is at the time) can't achieve a comfortable position then the employer is in breach of this requirement.
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Posted By duncan abbott
thanks for the further information, your colleague could well come under the DDA, given that their mobility is affected.
You can do what Chris said and contact your local job centre, and discuss with this with your Disabilty Employment Officer. The case would be covered by Access to Work, as this is common scenario in my work as an ergonomist.
You need a chair with controls on the right side (one touch) and ideally a lift assist device to get on and off the chair.
There are also lots of devices to aid mobility around the workplace.
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Peter
As you observe that 'The employer reckons they have done enough by providing a chair that suits most people, you may wish to know that at the IOSH meeting on H, S and disability organised by the London Met branch in January, the Legal Officer of the DRC made it crystal clear that she and the DRC would be relentless in their support of employees who pursued their rights in the situation you describe.
As your directors need to understand clearly, there is in principle no upper limit to an award made under discrimination legislation. It is too easy to imagine that 'old style' fudging will do. On 10 June, I was reminded of how serious 'new style' non-discrimination is when a solicitor asked me to act as a single joint expert, in a claim for unfair dismissal, associated with dyslexia on the part of a risk manager, 50+ years of age, who has struggled in his work since it was changed with information technology. His claim is that the employer failed to make an appropriate assessment of the interaction between his impairment and the changed demands on him with the new work technology.
I suspect that many employers would find that moderate expense, with the help of the Access to Work subsidies, would save greatly on hidden costs of an emormous amount of their most expensive factor of production, management time. Quite apart from a hefty penalty likely to be many times the cost of appropriate adjustments
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Posted By Geoff Burt
Question: Could anyone suggest areas I could look towards for further guidance other than the DSE Regs?
Keiren, I was hoping the thread would continue constructively with advice and further guidance - not what legal action can be taken
Geoff
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Geoff
In answer to your vague question, the first conference on Human-Computer Interaction was held in 1982; there has been an exponential growth in research in this area since then. There is an enormous volume of literature on the subject; I am reasonably familiar with relevant sources as I specialised in it for my M Sc. If you need something more specific, please do say so.
If you expected something 'more positive' than a legal comment iso far, that's a matter for you; I was answering the specific issue raised by P Wright, from my specialist knowledge of HCI as much as from moderate level of Health & Safety knowledge
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Posted By Geoff Burt
I don't see the question as vague - it was an exact copy of the question in the message from the originator of the thread.
I thought it was an excellent question and with excellent answers so far. It would be a shame for it to go off on the tangent of threatened legal action - surely you realise we all lose then?
Geoff
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Posted By J Knight
In response to Geoff, I'd tend to look at the management regs ACOP for further instruction on this, as they are the primary interpretation of the framework directive, and they give definitions for many of the terms used in PPE regs, DSE regs etc. The ACOP specifically asks the question' who might be harmed, and how?' Now, I know this is teaching granny to suck eggs, for which apologies, but given the above, I reckon this isn't necessarily a DDA issue at all; yes you could invoke the DDA, but the management regs and HASAWA already place the employee at the heart of risk assessment. If your control measures don't address the safety of those at risk, then what are they for? No people, no risk,
John
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Posted By Neil Pearson
If this doesn't cover it, I don't know what does. This is Reg 11 of the Workplace Regs:
11.—(1) Every workstation shall be so arranged that it is suitable both for any person at work in the workplace who is likely to work at that workstation and for any work of the undertaking which is likely to be done there.
(2) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraph (1), every workstation outdoors shall be so arranged that—
(a) so far as is reasonably practicable, it provides protection from adverse weather;
(b) it enables any person at the workstation to leave it swiftly or, as appropriate, to be assisted in the event of an emergency; and
(c) it ensures that any person at the workstation is not likely to slip or fall.
(3) A suitable seat shall be provided for each person at work in the workplace whose work includes operations of a kind that the work (or a substantial part of it) can or must be done sitting.
(4) A seat shall not be suitable for the purpose of paragraph (3) unless—
(a) it is suitable for the person for whom it is provided as well as for the operations to be performed; and
(b) a suitable footrest is also provided where necessary.
In particular, quote Regs 11(1), 11(2)(b), 11(3), 11(4)(a).
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Posted By Geoff Burt
I tend to agree with the last two responses in that this is not necessarily a DDA issue and could be resolved as Neil suggests.
I find it a little disconcerting that the response of some is to immediately jump on the enforcement wagon when other avenues are yet to be explored.
Geoff
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Posted By Emma Corrick
Hi There,
If you have not answered the question yet, I was looking at this topic this morning due to doing a disabled risk assessment, in the Tolleys handbook there is a case which highlights this particular issue, it reads.
"In Tawling v Wisdom Toothbrushes Ltd, a 1997 tribunal case, a woman who had a club foot and was experiencing sciatica and other pain and discomfort as a result of standing for long periods had to take increased amounts of sickness absence. Her employer sought advice from the Shaw Trust who recommended the purchase of one of two specific types of chair costing £500 and around £1000 respectively, to which the employer would have to fund 20% of the cost. The employer did not take the advice and instead provided her with a series of ordinary chairs, which did not meet her needs and then dismissed her for poor performance. The tribunal found that the woman had been unfairly dismised because the employer had failed to make reasonable adjustments (DDA 1995) in not providing a suitable chair for her."
So Disability Discrimination Act could also be used.
Many thanks
Emma
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