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#1 Posted : 20 June 2005 19:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Hickey I recently filled in a health and Safety questionnaire for the company I work for to be put on the local authorities’ tender list. The pre qualification questionnaire is being audited by a local Health and safety Consultancy. We have had it back saying that it has failed to meet the criteria, but they could act independently for us to help us meet the criteria. I would like to know what other Safety professionals think of these kinds of stealth tactics to get work and what if anything can be done about it
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#2 Posted : 20 June 2005 19:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Steve Talk to the local authority about your misgivings; they may be unfounded but I am sure that the local council would want to be seen as whiter than white. Paul
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#3 Posted : 20 June 2005 19:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Steve I have found in the past when completing these forms for clients that if any area tends to fall short the company requesting the information will usually let you know where it fell slightly. Once you know, it is a question of submitting the updated information and surprise surprise, you get a letter stating you are now accepted and eligible to tender, previous cases have shown that the person the other end has the piece of card and is looking to tick the boxes (much the same way as they try and mend your computer over the phone, but lets not go there!) B--------a are the same, you need to satisfy a certain criteria that they need, once done you are fine. As for charged help being offered.... well I figure you know only to well the answer, and yes, mine would in fact be the same as yours. Good luck Charles
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#4 Posted : 20 June 2005 20:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Good evening Steve I go along with Paul & Charley here. If there is any perception of any sort of bad practice, both your employer and the local authority should be provided with the fullest information at the earliest opportunity. Also, if you suspect that there may be manufactured shortfalls in performance, get an independant to review it; if the LA are genuine they should support this and possibly even contribute toward the cost - it's their system that is threatened with disrepute! Also, the LA should have a contractual relationship with their auditors that is designed to prevent this - so that no-one gets the wrong idea. If there were any genuine shortfalls, they should, as Charley suggests, be clearly identified with a reasonable guide to their remedy [which may lead to outside help being required - but that's a different issue]. Good luck and perhaps you could come back and let us all know what the outcome is when it's resolved. Frank Hallett
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#5 Posted : 20 June 2005 22:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith I also have grave concerns relating to this matter as I believe that this is clear breach of code point 12 of the IOSH Code of Conduct. Please see http://www.iosh.co.uk/fi.../about/CodeofConduct.pdf
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#6 Posted : 21 June 2005 08:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman We know that no IOSH member would violate the rules, but not every one in safety is in IOSH. We very recently audited a number of suppliers to a large manufacturer. 25% were good to very good, 50% were acceptable and 25% unacceptable. Individual reports were sent to the suppliers, copy to our client. After receiving our reports some of the "acceptables" asked for advice. Which they were FREELY given in informal meetings None of the "unacceptables" came back to us. Our client, the manufacturer was kept informed and I think this continued to improve our relationships with the client.
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#7 Posted : 21 June 2005 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Speak to the Local Authority direct. I'm sure they will take action to address the fact that their consultant is using this contracted work to generate extra business.
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#8 Posted : 24 June 2005 21:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By moshe Dyan Steve, is it a question that someone on here can answer at no cost? I have found that there are some good Consultants and not some bad, smaller Consultancies seeming to give better value and service. Which area of the country is the Council situated?
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#9 Posted : 27 June 2005 17:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Kelly This is an unacceptable practice Not a professional way of doing things PAtrick
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