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#1 Posted : 07 July 2005 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD BBC website today: Pupil banned over broken leg cast An 11-year-old who broke his leg has been barred from school over fears his plastered limb could be a danger to himself and other children. The mother of the youngster wrote anonymously to her local paper in Andover, Hampshire, complaining of the decision by Balksbury Junior School. School chiefs said they were worried the boy, who is in a wheelchair with his leg outstretched, might get hurt. He will be allowed to return to school once he has a walking plaster. The safety of all our pupils is of paramount importance to us and we have a duty to ensure that they are safe all times Headteacher Rosemary Clarke The boy broke his leg in two places during a football match on 16 June and has been off school since. In the letter, the boy's mother said: "It seems that another child could trip over his plaster. "Children need to learn that life has risks." In a statement released through the education authority, head teacher Rosemary Clarke said: "(The pupil) is currently in a wheelchair with his leg outstretched in a soft plaster and we have concerns that he could be injured further if he returns to school before a walking cast is put on. Discussions over return "The safety of all our pupils is of paramount importance to us and we have a duty to ensure that they are safe all times. "We have been in discussions with the boy's parents throughout, and have asked them to obtain a letter from his GP giving clear written confirmation that it is safe for him to return to school. "We have now received this letter, which states the boy can return to school once the walking cast has been put on. "This is expected to take place in the next few days and we are now discussing the practicalities of his return to school with his parents, and look forward to seeing him back in the classroom."
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#2 Posted : 07 July 2005 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter How sad that the BBC (a former bastion of intellectual integrity) should consider this in any way newsworthy.
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#3 Posted : 07 July 2005 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P Johnson Not only is that reasoning one of the most pathetic excuses for excluding a pupil, on of the most ordacious risk assessments made, and makes a complete joke of the terms 'competent person', 'suitable and sufficient, focusing on significant risks' and 'reasonably practicable' - its also in my mind a clear breach of one piece of legislation for sure - the Disability Discrimination Act. Is it just me, or do all of these, for want of a better phrase, bloody stupid assessments of risk and judgements seem to be originating from schools these days? Never mind bring back the cane - how about bring back the teachers who had an ounce of common sense!
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#4 Posted : 07 July 2005 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eric PD I think they are running so scared of exposing the kids to ANY potential risk that they make themsleves look ridiculous and give us Gurus who actually know how to manage risk a bad image. Sometimes one wonders what is the point of having Reasonably Practicable as control standard at all, why dont we just have Absolute duties and be damned with it! Thou shalt not let kids with casts on onto the school. Its easy then and no one looks silly!
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#5 Posted : 07 July 2005 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P Johnson Better still, lets abolish school, and in fact the education system in it's entirety. We can close the stock exchange and cripple international trade and the economy. 24 hour curfews in place so nobody leaves their homes. All in the name of "safety." To think, I lost my granddad in 1941 fighting for our freedom, all for this.
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#6 Posted : 07 July 2005 17:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher No it's not the on comming train. Report in yesterdays local paper "Children need to take appropriate risks" "Children must be exposed to risk if they are to develop physically, emotionally and mentally, a senior Highland Council Official has stated. In a report which runs counter to the risk-averse culture adopted by many local authorities. Bill Alexander says the council's play strategy should recognise that youngsters need not to be cosseted. And he recommends that all playgrounds should enable children to take appropriate risks. This he says will encourage children to explore limits, venture into new experiences and develop their capacities. etc" Well can we get a roll going with this positive message? Bill
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#7 Posted : 07 July 2005 21:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett How about proposing a new Parallel Olympics that has two main events? The first will be to see which is the most ridiculous and counter-productive "risk assessment [sic]" and the second could be for the risk assessment that actually best defines the true meaning of "reasonably practicable" in the Robens tradition. It should not be judged by the HSE as they are catatonically schizophrenic with the conflict between the official view of "sensible risk management" and enforcing in a way that pushes reasonably practicable ever closer to practicable. I sometimes wonder why I bother! Happy paranoia to all Frank Hallett
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#8 Posted : 08 July 2005 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Sanderson Nice to see we can all manage risk from behind a keyboard. Having read the article the key part is that the GP said that the pupil should return to school when a walking cast had been fitted. This was not the case and therefore there was at the time an increased risk of making an existing injury worse. Do you allow people to return to work while still signed off by a medical practitioner as being unfit for work? None of you that have commented have any idea about the type and therefore layout of the school width of corridors numbers of pupils moving through corridors, layout of classrooms etc. None of you have considered toileting of this pupil and whether they will be able to do this themselves or will need assistance thus introducing a manual handling risk for staff and if done incorrectly a further risk of injury to the pupil. I'm sure the parents would be the first complaining if their childs injury was made worse by them having an accident in school. These issues are never as straightforward as you appear to have assumed they are and perhaps it is possible that a suitable and sufficient risk assessment was carried out particularly as the school indicate that they are working towards the pupil coming back into school once the walking cast is fitted. Equally the reaction may have been over the top. What doesn't help the perception of health and safety are some of the comments made above without the full facts.
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#9 Posted : 08 July 2005 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By George Wedgwood Quite right Jerry - what we need to do is help the process of good risk assessment for such bodies and I know schools safety guys are trying hard - but we need to help raise the school managers' awareness of a sensible approach to issues like these, which occur with regularity. Of course, despite what good or bad risks assessment may have been done in this case, the media still see it as a 'good story' and will exploit it any way they can to sell more copy. IOSH is getting better as responding publically and I offer the Education SG an opportunity here to comment positively from a practitioner's view, on ways that can be explored to help a school with a similar risk. It has to be done sensitively and with the cooperation of health care professionals, but if good advice had been sought before the child returned to school, this would not have become news! I will ask the ESG next week at our next SGMC Meeting, what their take is on this and what generic advice could be offered as to the 'rehabilitation' aspects of a pupil could be, before a return to school after an injury. Good Thread, George (Chair of SGMC)
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#10 Posted : 08 July 2005 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By MichaelM I agree that a proper documented assessment must be performed with all of the facts, but there are many school assistants out there who in a day to day situation in schools who support children with difficulties ranging from physical to learning. It should be possible to come to a compromise without barring the pupil from the school until the hard cast is on. What if they hit someone with the hard cast?!? This seems to be an overreaction by all sides. I am involved in H&S which covers, among other areas, Education. I would not consider it an immediate barring situation. However our H&S colleague (if one was indeed contacted) may have information that we are not privvy to and came to the conclusion as observed.
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#11 Posted : 08 July 2005 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton I don't see the problem here - the boy has soft plaster - his foot is stuck out in front of him and he is in a wheelchair. If he did get knocked or banged then it could do irreparable damage to his leg. The doctor has suggested that he goes back to school once he has the walking plaster on. OK, maybe I'm being over cautious but I would not put my 10 year old son in a boisterous environment with a leg broken in two places and only supported in soft plaster -he could be crippled for life! The GP made a decision - if this decision was made in the workplace I would not let someone come back to work and, let's be honest, neither would you. I know you can't wrap your kids up in cotton wool and life is about risks - but didn't the boy take a risk playing football which led to this broken leg in the first place? Does he really need to be deformed for life so everyone can turn round and say "oh, there should have been a risk assessment on that and he shouldn't have been allowed back to school". Well, guess what? There was, and he wasn't - good decision! Hilary
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#12 Posted : 08 July 2005 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Mulholland Hillary - youve hit the nail on the head, waved away the knee-jerk negative reaction to such press stories, concentrated on the issues and concluded with a sensible argument. Let this be a lesson to us all.
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#13 Posted : 08 July 2005 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By MichaelM Well Martin I thought that perhaps I and some others had also done so but it is nice to know that we are all incompetent.
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#14 Posted : 08 July 2005 12:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Messy I've heard that it wasn't his disability that caused his exclusion, but his attempts to smuggle filthy toilet roll tubes into school within the plaster cast
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#15 Posted : 08 July 2005 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny Swygart On the information available, I have to agree with Hilary that this was a sensible decision. I also agree with Ron that this sort of thing should never even make the news, surely there are much more newsworthy events to report on. I could understand it making the local rag or radio, but the BBC website? Danny.
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#16 Posted : 08 July 2005 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eden I also think the school made the right decission. If the youngster had returned before a walking plaster was put on and he sustained further injury to his leg - you can bet the parents would have been straight on the phone to the local sharks - sorry solicitors. Someone mentioned DDA, this does not apply to injuried persons unless the condition lasts more than 12 months (or they are registered disabled) - that is you would have to be in a wheel chair for that long for discrimination to count.
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