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#1 Posted : 27 July 2005 16:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r
Can anyone please tell me if there is a distance that fire assembly points should be from the building being evacuated? I've searched high and low.

Problem is a new building that is being rented by us, oposite our main site. Building is multi storey office and is L shaped, with a walled car park, so that if viewed from above it would look like a rectangle in total. The car park is accessed via arches under the building at either end. The building has busy roads on two sides and is built up on the other two sides.

I do not wish to have the assembly point on our main site, as this would mean possibly panicking people crossing a very busy road, however I am concerned that they would be trapped if using their own car park, in the event that the whole building went up and would appreciate any wisdom from the fire experts out there.

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#2 Posted : 28 July 2005 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC
Difficult one to suggest an answer without full plans of the area and building layout/fire exits/use/contents. It sounds like traffic is obviously a problem as will be the general wind direction, don't want your employees standing in smoke should the worst happen.
Suggest you try your local Fire Service for assistance - ask for the Fire Safety Officer. They are always willing to give free advice and if it comes from them, then you can't go wrong.

Good luck.
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#3 Posted : 28 July 2005 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r
Thanks, I wondered if there was a hard and fast measurement of x amount of metres away from the building, but couldn't find any mention in the regs. Everything else has a figure, ie escape route distances and fire door widths, but once you've got everyone out, the info dries up!
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#4 Posted : 28 July 2005 11:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stevek
i'am not sure how tall your building is,but one thing to consider is glass ect falling and planeing some distance from the building if there is a fire.
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#5 Posted : 28 July 2005 12:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Jackson
Cr8r, as far as I know you're right, there is no "thou shalt place it X meters from the building".
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#6 Posted : 28 July 2005 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r
Thank you all so much - I thought I might be going mad.

Thanks for all the input - I've thought about glass blowing out etc and really they probably would be in the vicinity in their own car park. Haven't quite worked out how I'm going to solve this one - fying pan or fire - quite literally!
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#7 Posted : 28 July 2005 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Cr8r,

The thing to remember is that once the emergency services are there, they will take control of the scene and will probably move you from your initial evacuation point anyway.
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#8 Posted : 28 July 2005 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r
Jonathan, thanks, that's what I thought. I think I'm going to have to use their car park, the likelihood of the whole building going up and trapping them or not allowing them to maintain a safe distance is hopefully much less than the chances that a few of them will get squashed running through the traffic, which is almost certain in dark / panic mode.

I need to do a proper recce to see if they can escape from the car park by any other means than under the building's arches. This building's been there about 20 years so must have had a fire cert (it's got four floors above ground with a capacity of a couple of hundred if every bit of it was full up).

Joy of joys. Who wants to expand anyway?

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#9 Posted : 28 July 2005 17:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC
Just as an additional point to your search for the best location. I don't know your location (town etc), but you should also consider the 'Assembly Point' in the event of a bomb threat or do have that organised?

Just a thought.

Regards
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#10 Posted : 29 July 2005 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cr8r
Currently we deal with bombs the same way as fire and evacuate to the same places. This is something that I am wanting to revise but in separate enquiries with various sources over the last few months, have received totally conflicting information, including one from a similar organisation who have decided that unless a bomb's location is known, they will not evacuate at all, as, in common with us, they have several separate buildings and have assembly points in or via car parks, therefore they have decided that they are more likely to place people at risk by making them pass through or congregate in the place where a bomb might be. Not a sentiment I share but is obviously a problem. If someone phones up and says they left a bomb in your foyer, why would you trust them and evacuate only that area? Also it appears that the days of terrorists giving advance warning of bombs are probably over.

If anyone's curious, I had a recce of the new building's car park last night an there is a concealed gate (looks the same as the six foot wooden fencing along one side). Although I couldn't open it, it led to a pub car park, so they must have had an agreement to congregate there. There were some moss covered markings on the ground under the weeds leading people this way. Trouble is, we are a college and if we say to the students "on hearing the fire alarm, proceed to the pub car park", we are going to have several false alarms!

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