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#1 Posted : 09 August 2005 09:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Kelly I employ 7 plumbing teams who carry on their vans 2 x 12.5 kg bottles of LPG. I have always been of the opinion that the vans should be fitted with an approriate warning label fitted on the back doors. However my business partner spoke with a "saftey advisor" who said that that the regs had changed and that we are wrong and in the event of a fire would be causing the emergancy sevices a problem (I cant see how). My business partner thinks we should remove the labels from the vans whilst i am reluctant. Can anyone tell me what regs have changed and who is correct please? Thanks Jon
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#2 Posted : 09 August 2005 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe http://www.ukdivers.net/...of%20Gas%20cylinders.pdf hope this helps.
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#3 Posted : 09 August 2005 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lynne Ratcliffe http://www.bcga.co.uk/pr.../publications/L12005.pdf even better, reviewed 2005 in line with new DSEAR regs etc, hope this is of use
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#4 Posted : 09 August 2005 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Cook BT, EDF and most of the other utility companies who carry LPG all have hazard warning diamonds on the rear of their vehicles. I believe that hazard diamonds are ok but its orange placards (used for large quantities of lpg or other dangerous goods etc) that can cause problems if inappropriately fitted. 25kg sounds like alot of LPG, BT and the like generally only carry a 4.5kg cylinder.
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#5 Posted : 10 August 2005 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By lawrence baldwin Jon The two regulations you need to be concerned with in transporting dangerous goods by road are the International Agreement for the Carriage of Dangerous Goods referred to as the ADR Regulations (2005) and the domestic regulations the Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2004. We have adopted ADR as our legislation with some variaitions identified within CDG&TPE Under ADR, you can carry LPG, UN 1075 under "exempted quantities", not exceeding 333 kgs which excempts any vehicle marking (labelling or placarding) and documentation (as long as the vehicle with the goods stays within the UK). There are other elements that you are not exempt such as a fire extinguisher, no smoking and spark proof portable lamps to name but three. Where confussion to the emergency services may occur, could in my opinion be, that if the vehicle is labelled or placarded, then they could assume you are carrying more quantities of product than you actually are and may then react accordingly in taking measures to control a situation with a perceived indicated larger risk factor. Moot I know when thinking of a flammable gas. Lawrence
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#6 Posted : 10 August 2005 23:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Croasdale Jon Following on from Lawrence. You mention that the vehicles are Plumbers vans, I presume that these are closed vehicles? From my experience it is recommended that lpg be carried in open type vehicles such as a transit pick-up. However this is probably not an option, the next step would be follow the advice of the gas association which recommends 2% of the compartment be ventilated (usually at floor level to allow gases to escape if for example a cylinder were to leak during transit). Also consider segregating the driver/passengers from the lpg by having a sealed rear compartment (a leaking lpg cylinder could asphyxiate the driver/passenger if not segregated. Regards the fixing of hazard warning labels, although its not a legislative requirement if taken out of scope of the dangerous goods regs/ADR. If I were the emergency services attending a road traffic accident which may also involve fire it would assist them if they identified a white van with them displayed, they could take whatever precautions they thought appropriate. If its a white van loaded with a couple of lpg cylinders and no warning stickers and on fire its a bomb behind closed doors! In common with any loads transported, it is important to secure the lpg cylinders, if the driver braked sharp or was involved in a road traffic accident an unsecure lpg cylinder could hit the driver/passengers on the back of the neck. Don't forget additional issues of transporting dangerous goods by road as Lawrence mentioned the regs and ADR and the appropriate exempted quantities opt out still requires some measures such as a transport document suitably worded with the opt out clause. In general if you are carrying 1 cylinder of lpg (12.5kg) its within scope of ADR and the regulations unless you take it out (if possible ) using exempted quantities. Regards Steve
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#7 Posted : 15 August 2005 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Kelly Thank you all for you replies. I have come to the opinion that the warning stickers are probably not reqired by legislation (other requirements must be followed) but best practice would be to display them on the vans. Regards Jon
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