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Posted By Jane Watts
Can anyone offer me any advice. We have a lab which cuts softwood and chipboard (which is melamine coated) for a total duration of approximately 5 minutes a year.
Reading all the publications about never assume small amounts of dust aren't harmful etc, can anyone offer me constructive advice on how to go about making a decision on control measures we should adopt.
We use a bandsaw which does not have any extraction unit attached to it.
I don't think it's necessary to start carrying out air monitoring.
What should we be doing?
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Posted By MichaelM
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Do not dry brush it or dry dust it for a start. Damp it down and then clean up. Or alternatively, use a hepa filtered vacuum cleaner.
The dust will contain chemical compounds which could be carcinogenic and may be asthmagens.
Be very careful here as the same controls should be employed to ensure it is not breathed in, as would be required by longer term processes.
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Posted By Ken Taylor
A powered bandsaw would normally need LEV but 5 mins per year is another matter!
I would tend to think that the LEV route may not be reasonably practicable in this case and opt for a disposable FFP2 dust mask - just to be 'on the safe side'. The new HSG53 (RPE at Work) has forms and tables you can use if you wish.
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Posted By Jane Watts
Hi there,
Thanks for replying. This is what worries me, that we take the necessary precautions without going OTT.
Is softwood carcinogenic? I didn't think it was, or are you referring to the fact that it's melamine covered?
Is just wetting it down enough for a few minutes a year? and at what point would you need to introduce more stringent controls?
Also, what about wearing face masks as well? Although I realise this should be last resort.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
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Softwood dust is not thought to be carcinogenic (but it is a sensitiser). The binder in the chipboard is likely to be urea-formaldehyde or phenol-formaldehyde resin; both release formaldehyde (which is carcinogenic - Cat 3) if overheated (such as when cutting it with blunt saws).
Paul
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Posted By Jane Watts
Ok, so if bandsaw's normally require LEV but for 5 minutes probably a dust mask would do, at what time level should we consider LEV. I know it's not as simple as saying anything over 20 mins will, but I hope you see what i'm trying to get at.
Incidentally, do dust masks require fit testing?
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Jane
Yes, filtering facepiece masks need to be fit tested.
Paul
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Posted By Jane Watts
Ok, (sorry to sound uninformed) so do you get datasheets for wood? this would then confirm whether it contains any 'nasties'?
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Posted By Ken Taylor
The official answer is that you: determine whether dust is present (using a lamp if necessary); have a COSHH assessment done by a competent person taking into account all the hazardous substances present (including the softwood dust, binders, plastics, combustion products from heating, etc), duration and nature of exposure, etc; and, if workplace exposure levels are exceeded, implement appropriate control measures (ranging from not doing the job, through using safer materials or less dusty operation like using a hand tool, exhaust ventilation, etc down to respiratory protection).
However if you know what you're dealing with and that there is no chance that exposure levels will be breached, you do what's reasonable taking into account what others do in the circumstances ('industry practice') yet shows that you are looking after the health of your employees.
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Posted By Jane Watts
Now I always have this issue with COSHH, how can you determind whether the levels are being exceeded unless you actually do sampling? Surely this isn't feasible to do on every occasion?
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Posted By Ken Taylor
I suppose it's experience, trusted advisers and reliable publications.
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Posted By Nigel Souster
If you' re only cutting for 5 minutes a year, wouldn't you be better selling the bandsaw and getting you local wood supplier/timber yard to supply the wood ready cut? This would then eliminate the hazard of wood dust.
Nigel
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Posted By Chris Pope
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Most users of saws on site have no precautions - find out if they have any respiratory conditions - I haven't discovered any !
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Good evening Jane
Most of the answers have been provided already, but you may wish to consider the following.
There are clearly identified acceptable levels of inhalable & respirable dust identified in the new EH40 in the same way as the old EH40. A "lamp test" is notoriously unreliable to measure the airborne particles and you will need to undertake a reasonable [given the info provided] sampling and monitoing scheme.
Melamine in particular is a cocktail of nasty substances and the bonding that is used should be fully researched - I'm no chemist, I just take the results and apply appropriate controls.
Other issues that haven't been fully explored arise from the use of the band-saw - I assume that it complies fully with PUWER? And the prevention of melamine splinters becoming projectiles - they're sharper than glass and travel at speed; and mostly hit the eyes it seems.
Ultimately, the hassle involved in what appears to be an activity that could be dispensed with [perhaps by contracting it out] will probably outweigh the provision of a defensible range of effective control measures.
Good luck
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jane Watts
Thanks again for more good advice...you lot are quite good you know:)
I think that's the point, it comes down to experience of these things. COSHH isn't really my area, although i've done the course!
Going back to one of my questions, do you get data sheets with wood, especially when it's melamine covered? Otherwise how are you expected to know the hazards?
It's a good point about contracting the work out, which I have already suggested. But all of a sudden they might need to cut wood at a weekend or late in the night when no one else is around.....sigh.
I want to get my facts straight on what they need to do in order to be compliant and then present it to the manager concerned. It's his call whether they do everything for the sake of 5 minutes, or whether he feels it is a appropriate to contract the work out.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
You are most unlikely to get a MSDS as routine for timber unless it has been treated with something out of the ordinary - though there is no derogation that I'm aware of that would exclude the provision of a MSDS if requested. Different timber teatments provide different hazards.
Melamine is now so common that most people fail to recognise the inherently hazardous properties of the stuff even before you start to mill or machine saw it. Again, you should be able to obtain a MSDS from the manufacturer on request.
You must bear in mind that the MSDS is only applicable to the substance in the form in which it is presented by the manufacturer and there will still be a need to carry out a sufficiently comprehensive series of RAs for what you intend to do with it.
My advice - get rid of the activity; especially as it may apparently take place under circumstances where you will have difficulty ensuring that the protective measures may always be used as intended.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By John Webster
I have never believed that H&S was about stopping activities, but about identifying, assessing and controlling risks.
This is a common material, and the activity is commonplace. Normal control measure is LEV with dust extraction units at the cutter.
But this is for regular use, and we need to keep controls in proportion to the risk.
If we were to compare your activity against that undertaken by someone cutting this material day in, day out, then their LEV would have to be 99.996% efficient to reduce their exposure to the same as yours with no protection at all.
How many of us cut melamine faced chipboard at home without LEV and air sampling etc.? (I'm sure we all wear goggles, but I bet we'd be lucky to see an old lint face mask and a pair of battered ear defenders!)
Lets be reasonable. A suitable dust mask, good housekeeping on cleaning up and a room with adequate ventilation should be more than enough to avoid inhalation of hazardous levels.
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Posted By Gareth Bryan
At last a sensible answer!!
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Posted By Jane Watts
Thanks for all your replies, between all of you I think I can now find the way forward!
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